PEOS 219 : Sub-goal, Perception, Omnipresence, Person, Vibrations, Objects, Emotions

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hello and welcome to Pure experiences

online satsang this satsang is an

opportunity for everybody to meet and

discuss the spiritual topics especially

on The Path of Knowledge and we conduct

the program from this such thing and

today we are going to start with the

test of Kapil so I'm going to ask Kapil

some questions before that I want to

know whether he is ready for the test

so you will get 10 questions if you get

50 or more marks you will be sent to the

step number four of the program and

everybody should simply listen after

that we are going to discuss the answers

and we'll take your questions

so these are your questions

you can start now

so question number one how does The Path

of Knowledge

meant existing knowledge of a Seeker

Path of Knowledge worked by creating the

ignorance and the ignorance is uh

everyone thinks that they are body and

mind

so

the question is how does Path of

Knowledge augment existing knowledge of

a Seeker so it removes the ignorance so

what Seeker has accumulated so far what

secret thinks that it's a knowledge

um it's the ignorance and uh Path of

Knowledge removes that part

question number two

what is the sub goal on this path

so part of college we remove ignorance

there isn't anything we gain that there

are uh

there isn't anything gay part of that

there are no sub goals

um the the

male of The Path of Knowledge is to

understand your true nature which the uh

experiencer

what is the difference between

knowledge and perception

so uh knowledge is when the experiences

are arranged in memory

um

through

logic and

um and the experiences are interrelated

and the perception is when

um

perception is through the input of the

senses

um you perceive what what is not there

um

so the perception is of Illusion

how can we say experiencer is

omnipresent when it is invisible

so experience is the aspect of the

existence which

is witnessing the experiences

because there is no because it's

non-local uh

there is no start and end of the

experiencer uh

so

it means that

experiencer is everywhere which is

omnipresent

and through the example uh or the or the

metaphor we can say when we look at the

milk and the water when they are mixed

together uh we know that there are two

things in there but the uh we can't

individually identify milk and water

uh so that that way

experiencer is permeating through all

the experience

um the second part of that when it is

invisible

uh so experiencer is not an object we

cannot perceive as an object with uh

qualities of the object

uh

so

visibility is the property and and

because the experiencer it cannot be

described through the those qualities uh

did not try to say it's invisible

what is the role of a person in knowing

the experiencer

what is the role of a person

in knowing things

so start with later part which is the

knowing experience so the

experiencer as I mentioned earlier is

the aspect of the evidence which is

perceiving the experiences

um whereas the person is uh inside the

illusion it is the goal directed entity

which is uh

which is illusion which is not true

so what is the role so what is the role

of the goal directed entity in knowing

the uh

what would uh the part which is true

which is which exists

um

so the role is the

um

so the role is being the experiencer

on knowing

a true nature as the experiencer and

expression uh himself in experiencer as

an experiencer

number six in how many vegetariances can

be expressed in sorry in how we

experiences can happen

um

expenses are continuous and they are

they're happening uh

all the times in in fact the time is

inside the experience it's inside the

illusion

um so there are infinite ways

expediences

um Can Happen

question number seven what causes

vibrations in the illusion

causes pipetation in the illusion

so

uh vibration vibrations are the result

of the potential uh

and the result of the change

in the illusion so that that vibration

inside the illusion is other way around

it's the uh

vibrations are creating the changes

which is forming the patterns and

patterns are uh perceived as uh illusion

the objects are also layer in the mind

but why are

why are they separate from me and appear

solid

objects are also layered in the mind

but they are separate from me and appear

as solid

so I'll start with the later part of the

question which is the

what are the objects and why they appear

solid so oh

objects are names and forms

their appearance as the question says

there are appearances

um

when we look at the true nature of it it

objects were not there in past objects

were not there will not build in the

same form in future what remains is the

uh the the true nature

and the reason they are

appearing solid is because our

perception

uh of the time is in the slice is uh

short enough where the patterns are

solid

which is leaves the earlier part of the

question which is the

um

why

why they're separate from me

um at the end

me as a human person

um also a memory

um

and noise are also uh

result of the memory card

the reason they are appearing separate

separate is because the uh one memory

pattern which is object is perceived

through uh senses which are another set

of memory pattern

um into uh the local memory which is

another memory pattern which is part of

this this gold directed Body

uh and because of the senses the way it

is perceived it uh appears different and

appears solid

question number nine what happens to

existence when we are not perceiving it

so existence is all that is it combines

the trueest and false aspect the it has

got the uh two aspect which is the

experiencer and the fourth aspect which

is the appearance appearances which he

experiences

um

because existence is all it is is never

a chance to know

um

it is not there uh it is always

experiencing itself

which is the state of experiencing

just double check if I answered it right

what happens to the existence

when we are not perceiving it uh so

second part there is we are not

perceiving it is not right it's we as

human never perceive it

is existence perceives itself we are the

one aspect which is the false aspect of

the uh

we are the experiences which is the

false aspect and our true nature is the

experiencer

cool so that answers all of that now

number 10. which is better Evolution or

dissolution

so Evolution and dissolution are

dissolution is is one of the state and

evolution is the process through uh

states are are changed

through the process of evolution uh

there are different experience

experiences that we go through uh which

eventually leads to dissolution

um but resolution again it's uh it's not

the end there is

um the memory at the end which recycles

and it starts all over again

um as a

human person

um

there is no end in

this process

so question is which one is better

because there are it's not Apple to

Apple there are two different things

um

and the uh entity goes through

uh that cycle

that's all

um thank you guruji

okay thank you very good answers by

Kapil and you get six out of ten which

means you have passed the test and you

are now in the

step number four finally so we are going

to discuss these answers a little bit

because in many questions he got half

marks so that means that he knows he has

studied the program but there is a lack

of depth there there is a lack of

contemplation so far the Perfection has

not achieved in case of Kapil

so my recommendation is to think more to

contemplate more to discuss these things

more pay more attention spend more time

these are my recommendations so now we

are going to see what went wrong where

and what was right

so first question the answer was 100

right The Path of Knowledge will never

augment any knowledge it will destroy

whatever you think is knowledge so he

was right essentially

number two what is the sub goal he said

there is no sub goal but no there is a

sub goal which is uh cultivation of the

qualities of the Seeker without that

knowledge is not possible so it was so

clearly in the program probably forgot

this is totally dependent on who is

teaching if you go to the tradition

there is no sub goal but here a sub goal

has been given because nobody is born

with all the qualities you need to

develop them

number three what is the difference

between knowledge and perception he got

half marks because he told the

definition of knowledge correctly but

remember that perception word appears

much later in the program that is

connected with the illusion it has

nothing to do with knowledge mostly in

the common language

the perception is taken as knowing I am

perceiving an object in front of me and

people will say I know there is an

object but that is very very inaccurate

language perception is simply process in

which the senses are involved knowledge

is also a process something totally

different where the interrelations are

made just like Kapil said this this

question was asked simply to see whether

there is clarity about the definitions

of the words so we never use perception

in the way others use we actually do not

even use it many times we use experience

I am having an experience we say like

this

so number four how can we say the

experience that is omnipresent when it

is invisible again he got half marks so

first thing again accuracy of the words

we never say it is omnipresent sometimes

we say it poetically but the correct

word is non-local the concept of

location or space or place is not

applicable to the experiencer that's all

we say because the word omnipresent

gives you an idea that there are places

and there is an experience or a thing

called experiencer everywhere just like

he gave the example of milk and water

but no there are no places

this is common misconception I don't see

it in every place and how can it be

everywhere when it is invisible so this

all points to a lot of ignorance in the

person when they are asking like this

but a couple got half marks because he

could see the problem in the question

question this question that it is not an

object don't try to imagine experience

as an object which is filling everything

in the universe it is not like this

sometimes we give an example of the

screen which is everywhere in the

picture it is behind the character it is

behind the background it is behind the

foreground so it is everywhere but it is

not to be found in the picture it is not

the picture so this kind of confusion

happens when you take the metaphors

literally nothing can be said about the

omnipresence or location of the

experiencer poetically you can say

anything once you understand so I am

omnipresentious but behind that is

entire knowledge of who am I

number five what is the role of a person

in knowing the experiencer he got half

marks again so I want to ask this

question in the satsang because very

tricky question isn't it

he was half right about this what is the

role of the person he told that here

this is false person and so on but

probably failed to describe the role of

the person I probably said but I could

not understand

exercising experience that cannot be

known that is one point yes so probably

you mean that there is no role of the

person then Graham says being the

experience though the person cannot be

the experiencer Rajai Singh person

itself is the experiencer no it is not

basic mistakes pandurang is saying to

destroy the person excellent pandarin

gets full marks yes now Raja has

corrected person is an illusion that is

the role of the person to make way for

the experience the self-destroy destroy

itself

is saying person is also experienced

whose mind is a tool to know the true

Essence yes that much can can be done

isn't it the role of the person is to

let go of this concept that I am

something real

menacing due to directive knowledge when

we'll know there is no person yes

probably by deductive knowledge you mean

the subjective knowledge is ultimately

it will be no there is no person so what

remains is the experiencer yes correct

the rajit is saying to know its

illuseriness right that much can be done

you can say that is the rule but you

know that it happens like this the

person does nothing it is not an agency

person is not an agent for even doing

this so testing I mean experiencer

cannot be known can only be you are

right but the falseness of the person

can be known I am not the body I am not

the mind I am not this fictional entity

called person this much can be known it

is known by this non-entity something

strange and how is that possible only

the existing concepts are removed from

this person including the concept of

person itself so emptiness into

emptiness in the space in the clay pot

dissolves in the surrounding space very

beautiful poem in ignition this breaking

of The Clay Pot is the role a clay pot

is the person itself

number six in how many ways experiences

can happen again he got half marks

because he said there are infinite ways

but no it is not technically correct

there is only one kind of experience you

remember

there is only one kind of experience the

experience of irreducibles but there can

be infinite irreducibles probably got

confused there is only one experience as

the existence knowing itself in these

illusory forms that is the definition of

the word experience that which is

manifested

number seven what causes vibrations in

the illusion so he got half Marks here

so I want to ask this in satsang is

there is there a better answer although

he explained nicely is there a one line

answer no reason yes Asia is right is

this question even right then I think

causeless no cause you all are right

paramjit Singh binary change binary

change causes vibration no the

definition of the vibration is binary

change not cause of it you know do never

mistake the cause for definition

definition is answering the word

question and the cause is answering the

why question

so I think the answers are already there

but according to me what I wanted to

hear is that the illusion is first and

the vibration is simply an explanation

of the illusion the vibration are not

caused in the illusion the vibration do

not happen in the illusion they are a

scientific explanation of the illusion

ultimately it is a theory simply a

concept to explain away the illusion why

this is happening and it is very

beautiful Theory it explains you know it

satisfies the intellect that is the

quality of a good theory then it is

satisfactory but it is not truth

there are no vibrations

simply intellectual tool mathematics

that's all it is the illusion is and

then everything is man-made you can say

human ideas Concepts thoughts that's all

they never find the cause of vibrations

because they are not there and moreover

there is no cause of Illusion also it is

me I am not caused a causal

number eight objects are also a layer in

the mind but why are they separate from

me and appear solid so again he got half

Max majority of the answer half marks so

which shows that there is knowledge but

not in-depth knowledge so yes we have

called the physical world as in layer of

the Mind

but anybody who does not know who has

not gone through the program will doubt

it no no they are solid they are outside

me mind is something which is inside me

isn't it so this question will be asked

and it is often asked how is the

Universe Mental and like that's what

people say when they hear this

idealistic view of the existence and you

will see that the advaith favors

idealistic view although ultimately it

says non-dualistic but it climbs on the

shoulder of idealism little bit

ultimately it will say no materialism

idealism nothing is true so he tried to

explain Kapil tried to explain but there

has to be a simple answer to this

the question is assuming that they are

separate from me question is asking that

they they are separate from me so there

is the problem in the question there is

this assumption don't we show you that

nothing is separate from you that

evidence is given in the program that

nothing is separate from me and the

problem here is not knowing who is me

lack of self-realization so the person

who is asking the question is still

thinking I am the body and yes things

are separate from the body that is true

but perhaps they put from the body but

they are not separate from me

then I think everything is in Universal

memory separation is the illusion

everything is experience very good

answer yes

so testing I am the existence everything

is me yes now he was stuck on this

appear solid and all you know those

words are there simply to confuse you to

distract you the main point is whether

they are separate from me and and the

question itself is saying a pure solid

which means they are not solid they

appear solid there is nothing there

which can be called solid solidity is a

perception what kind of perception

mental perception apparent solidity is

also me so when we inspect the objects

there remains nothing but perception of

objects and the perception is happening

on the same screen which is me so no

separation no solidity no separatedness

this is the full answer

so number nine and ten totally right

answers he got full marks there and

total says six marks so I'll simply say

two words about it for the benefit of

others that what happens to the

existence when we are not perceiving it

we are always perceiving the existence

because I am the existence who else will

perceive it so he was right

we means humans right humans cannot

perceive anything I am perceiving humans

also including this human which is

talking so nothing happens to it and the

perception never stops or you can say in

correct words The Experience never stops

because I am an experience I never go

away

number 10 Evolution or dissolution very

satisfactory answer here his

understanding is complete that there is

no difference between evolution and

dissolution actually everything is going

towards dissolution and dissolution is

another illusion nothing is really

dissolved simply appears again reappears

like the water you throw on your lawn

disappears because water vapor in the

morning again Dew drums same water so

changing forms of water that's all

whatever you call is a loo Evolution

simply another illusion

so here is the question and answer very

good very good effort by couple and now

you can start the experiments of the

fourth step and send weekly reports and

now we are ready for your questions if

any

there is one question when others

perceive it's affecting or causing harm

to them so how to deal with such

situations so if the person is not

asking you to do good do not do good

their behavior is showing this that

probably the person does not want you to

do anything so do not interfere in their

matters focus on your own life

so that is my point of view that is my

you can say advice ultimately you have

to decide using your own intellect your

conduct in the world The Path of

Knowledge does not recommend anything

usually but my personal advice is not to

deal with people at all if it is not

necessary don't do it

pranjit is saying I still get emotions

even though I know at the same time I am

in Awareness so what is your question

everybody gets emotions

okay he's saying is it good to have

emotions during awareness I mean anger

or something else it is not good and it

is not bad it is what it is an illusion

activity of the Mind whatever is

appearing becoming a witness he is being

in awareness

so ultimately good and bad must be

decided by the Seeker what is causing

harm that will be usually called bad

Kapil is saying maybe observe the

emotion recognize that they come and go

and do not stick to you yes simply

observe the actions must be performed

after proper evaluation using your

intellect thinking on it if the actions

are impulsive and they are coming from

emotions that is also not bad but there

will be consequences on The Path of

Knowledge we are very reluctant to call

anything as bad because then it will

become a command don't do this that

means the person has no intelligence to

decide what is good and bad but on The

Path of Knowledge we assume that the

person has the intelligence to decide so

nothing is told

we'll end today's satsang here

congratulations to Kapil we'll meet next

time thank you everybody for attending

today's satsang