Need for Body

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjI1qJKg0Wg

if i am beyond senses why can't i simply

know myself without taking up a body i

am beyond the senses

why do i need a body to know who am i

like we keep saying human birth is

most important and it is the only way to

know my true nature and why i'm the

existence i'm that which pervades

everything now why do we need this tiny

whiny body

to know this much

anybody wants to answer

this attempt

yeah yeah yeah like uh we have studied

that um through the example about the

pen hole the existence needs to

that can understand the greater

otherwise all of a clutter of things are

we cannot understand anything hence this

body

works as an instrument through which

the existence can be known better or in

the better way

very good very good attempt by sweetie

varun says nobody no experience no

knowledge no body

no experience no knowledge but

look the experience

gives

knowledge of the illusion not of the

witness of the illusion the experiencer

why does it need all these things that's

what this question asking

leila is saying we need a mind and

experiences in order to reflect that is

um

a lot more convincing answer that

my own reflection tells me about myself

that which is experiencing tells me that

there is an experiencer it knows itself

by reflecting itself in the experiences

what does it get i'm going to ask leila

does it get

elaborate on that a little bit yeah

that's what i'm doing that

we are reflecting some ourselves in the

in the form of experiences

but we don't get the knowledge from that

we get ignorance

ultimately we end up assuming that i am

this experience or i am that experience

and so on it has a reverse effect

the correction is made by the guru in

this process you see

it it reflects itself

through the experiences that is true but

does not get the knowledge of itself the

experiencer lands up in ignorance

actually so only the guru can correct it

that look

this process of reflecting is producing

problems so your answer is almost

correct but

it does not

give an exact answer to our question

which is about the experiencer

this process is happening yes the

reflection is happening we say yes but

our question is asking something else

saying something else so rohit is saying

ignorance is in the mind and it can only

be removed in the mind so you need a

body and this is also a very acceptable

answer but again experience we're

talking about the experiencer you should

first ask this question that whether

experiencer has any ignorance or not

look at the question it is asking

that how does the experiencer know that

means we are simply assuming that it

does not know anything it has ignorance

you are right about the mind the mind

has all the ignorance it will have only

the ignorance

you get some knowledge only when you

completely wipe out the mind you see

wipe it clean

and then you can see the emptiness

behind it so roid very good attempt but

you see i told you this is very

difficult question

mooney because i need to know

then i need a body to be who am i i do

not need anything very good now another

acceptable answer

look at the question that

the experiencer can

only be itself it does not really need

to know itself that is the

that is the assumption in the question

that the experience really needs to know

itself and then it assumes a body and

tries to know itself not on another that

is the wrong assumption it does not need

to know itself so it does not take up

the body for that purpose and it is

totally wrong to say that the experience

it takes up your body the experience

remains the experience so the body

appears as an experience it's not taken

up by anything

so you see lots of assumptions in this

question

and this question is very standard

actually everybody asks this question

isn't it oh i am this and that i am the

brahmana you said i am this

biggest thing in the existence and

i end up with this body which is causing

troubles of all kinds this is very

frequently asked question and there is a

lot of ignorance behind the question

itself that's why there is the question

isn't it so muni's answer is also very

good but let's see for what

manwandra is saying body's career of

experience career of experience which

leads to issues totally wrong answer

what is this mixing of sanskrit words

here we don't know sanskrit in pure

experiences

graham to know something there has to be

relation a body is needed for there to

be a relation a body is an illusory

restriction on the whole okay that is

good you know it is

this restriction it limits the

experiences that is the role of the body

but

and it is also true that to know

something there has to be a relation so

is the experiencer sitting there waiting

for a relation to be formed so that it

can know i am

and that

is

does not make any sense to me at least

just like i said

you need to simply

not assume that it wants to know

anything it wants to form the relations

among experiences and so on does not do

that

sri lakshmi yes there is no need it is

just playing for no reason this is 99

right and you should add that the play

is

also not done by the experiencer it is

not the doer it's not playing it is

witnessing a play which is

which it is itself it is being the play

not doing the play it's not playing like

a verb the play is a noun understand

this much shri lakshmi

pandering is saying i am knowing myself

itself

i

don't need anything else but the person

memory structure needs the body when the

person is completely dissolved the

knowing remains

how are you so sure you see person is

completely dissolved do you mean that it

was already there as truth

do you mean that the person is it is

something true which is dissolved later

on so it is already not there the person

is already not there so what remains

then

probably once you say that the truth is

known my real nature is known when the

person is dissolved no the person never

dissolves

only its fakeness is known it can

live no it can continue living no

problem it is an illusion this much is

known will it dissolve it is already not

there you see what is dissolved pandora

was i also attempted it nicely the

knowledge is needed by this structure

memory structure that's all that is for

survival

we hack into this process of knowledge

to know what i am that's all the human

can do that experiencer does not do

anything it does not need to know what

it is it simply is being itself this

much this was the correct answer

actually

benjamin is saying i guess you can know

yourself without the senses but since

there is only emptiness they told you

meaningless very good like

sweetie said something about pinhole

camera you open the pinhole and nothing

no image is formed the narrower the

pinhole the sharper is the image

so what happens is because there are

infinite possibilities here in the

existence

it reduces itself to a body and little

bit of senses which can sense only a

little bit

and that produces the experience which

is meaningful

but still the experiencer has nothing to

do at all with it this process it is

simply happening just as another

possibility look at that question first

lella is saying no experience it doesn't

have ignorance yes so if it doesn't have

ignorance it does not need to go no also

no knowledge no ignorance

completely devoid of qualities that is

my true nature so who needs knowledge

here nobody

i don't need it i'll never take up a

body that will be disaster no because

the body limits the experience actually

covers up the real nature

look at the question it is very

complicated question

satya i am beyond the senses there is no

need to know since i am there is

so can experience every ignorant

experience are all there this is the

right answer yes satya's answer is right

satya is pandit now

never answers wrongly why don't you

start your own satsang okay but she will

probably as soon as she finishes the are

you in the program or not i don't know

weapon

potential is manifested through body

mind complex for a play very good answer

yeah nobody needs to know anything

nobody needs to do anything it's all

potential it's all empty already

knowledge is a belief that something can

be known is a belief knowledge is

ignorance

yes realizing i guess the answer is that

we really don't know why justice is

simply is you see i said to assume that

something can be known is already

ignorance it's all unknowable in the end

and number six is simply um explanation

of this thing you know you can say it is

add-on question on the same topic

that what is the what is true in case of

the illusion now he got zero

he said nothing is true there

but that is a correct answer but i am

not asking that

if you say the truth means the essence

then yeah it's totally false essentially

it is false but you see

i am not asking that i am asking about

some facts about the illusion so can

somebody tell me two or three lines what

are the facts about the illusion what do

we know about the illusion what can be

said truly about the illusion we know it

is there that is one thing isn't it what

else do we notice about it the truth of

the false

yes lela is right his false is always

changing riddhi is saying the same thing

graham is changing saying the same thing

changes changes we know it change is the

only thing that is true about the

illusion probably not only but yeah

shreya is saying it always changing it

is an appearances that is one and

another thing it is appearance temporary

changing synthesis any other thing do

you notice about the illusion has

anybody noticed that it is kind of

temporary and changing but it's always

there the illusion is always there

things in it changes isn't it the river

is flowing yes but the river is always

there the river of the illusion

benjamin's is perfection very good you

know i was not expecting this the

illusion is also perfect nothing wrong

there graham is saying it is relative

very good yeah bonuses never goes away

yeah that's what i was saying the river

of the change never goes away why it is

me ultimately at the non-dual level it

is me sri lakshmi says it is like a

shadow of our own in this poetic answer

what do you mean by our own shadow of

experiencer that is exact acceptable it

is the shadow of the experiencer that is

also poetic but we know what what do you

mean by that with our own what do you

mean our own

timeless shreyas is yes

timeless no place isn't it non-local

non-temporal whatever analysis we have

done of the experience applies here

bitupen is saying illusion is trying to

get rid of illusion no no no totally

false tell me how it is doing who is

trying to get rid of

too much poetry today

who is trying to get rid of the illusion

it is not it is trying to actually

augment is trying to make it more

complicated the devi is dancing in more

complicated ways than ever nobody is

trying to get rid of illusion that is

your illusion okay one is saying playful

very good it's all play nothing is

serious here we finish saying illusion

is extremely engaging yes yes for the

from the point of view of a human

the creature takes a lot of pleasure in

the illusion isn't it

the other things are boring the truth is

boring there's nothing there bitter

prince i mean effort no benjamin

illusion is the stage for all

spirituality yes without it there are no

there is no potential for any knowledge

or any ignorance or anything

sunday has something

temporary self takes the illusion is

real but the permanent self knows

everything isn't

no

the temporary self does not worry about

real or unreal it simply worries about

the survival and it takes that as real

which is useful for survival it does not

even know that it is an illusion okay

it cannot distinguish between real and

real permanent self knows everything

permanent self

use the words properly

experiencer and it knows nothing the

experiencer has no knowledge it is not

concerned about what is real and unreal

shilp is saying it is the manifested

form of the experience and that is one

more fact yes you should not say

experience of existence this is the

manifested form of the existence a lot

of confusion today happening

gram is saying it's a restriction of the

whole no don't angry here also infinite

possibilities

although they are appearing one at a

time it looks like a restriction

although it is human tendency to

restrict you know human limitation but

the hole is appearing as an illusion and

it will appear whole of it will appear

don't worry about it and it is already

done so