https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZ8Z2lcvgYQ
hello and welcome to pure experiences
online satsang this online meeting is an
opportunity for all of us to meet and
discuss the spiritual matters
and also
answer
some of your questions clear your doubts
and
discuss
whatever is important for you issues
related to your practices and all and we
also discuss
the
activities of the program here so if
anybody has any question most welcome to
write write it down or they can say it
if they want to say it
lela is asking in the program that can
you please elaborate on
what you mean what you meant by the
following statement presence of the
experiencer guarantees oneness is a very
difficult question actually
so let me think
when i was saying all these things in
the lecture there on the video
there is a context to it there is a
context to this
sentence that
i was trying to
say that
why is there need of the experience sir
why can't the existence be existence
without being the experiencer it's
possible no dead existence nobody to
look at it
but
it's not like this it's not like this
there is you can say ability or quality
in existence to look at itself that is
what we call the experiencer so why is
it there that's what i was discussing
and i know it's little far-fetched kind
of thing but
the existence is zero dimensional like
there is already nothing there this pure
possibility only so it is touching
itself it is being itself that is all
existence is being itself and that is
why there is a possibility of
experiencing itself in whatever forms
so
that guarantees oneness that
since there is an experiencer it has to
be that
which is appearing it has to be that
there cannot be a separate experiencer
that comes out of nowhere and witnesses
the existence so
if there is an experiencer it logically
follows that whatever there is
is one is one only
whatever there is is not separated into
experience in the experiencer because
there is no possibility of the
experiencer existing alone or being
outside the existence it's not possible
so i know it is kind of difficult and
you can see i'm also struggling a little
bit to answer this
okay there are some questions arun is
saying please share the use of marijuana
in daily life i can only share my
warning about it
don't do it in your daily life
do not use that which damages your
mind body or anything else that is that
is my advice to everybody
you know not only drugs you should stay
away from anything that lowers your
intelligence and makes your body
unhealthy specially substances of all
kinds including tea coffee alcohol
cigarettes although the path of
knowledge never says that this is
requirement it never says even a
hardcore drug addict can get the
self-realization
the path of knowledge is very powerful
so
there are no
rules here
but
the recommendation is if you try to
damage yourself well there is no hope
for you then there is no hope
george is saying is there difference
between oneness and
non-duality
no there is no difference no difference
only thing is that
we want to be precise
so we say non-dual instead of saying
oneness we say non-dual when we want to
be precise that all that can be known is
that
all there is the reality is the non-dual
so
but we we always you know we we use the
word oneness i mean i'm a little bit
lenient with it but probably pandit will
not be
pundit is going to object that give me
the proof of oneness and so on
i don't mind really oneness is very nice
beautiful word so in
our context they are same but if you
want to be precise you are talking to
somebody else who is an expert
never use oneness
it irritates those people
okay some long questions there i'm going
to read it betopian is saying
it is said the essence of the phenomena
is nothingness void
since it is not really nothing we have
technical word for it we call it
emptiness
it is based on direct experience in
logic is it based on direct experience
in logic my experience is whenever there
is an experience it has two components
one component is created by mind memory
another is the experiencer knower
if we consider experience as the essence
of the experience then it is understood
now the question is how can we directly
experience the emptiness of an
experience or existence how can we
conclude emptiness using valid means
this is very easy well first question is
that is it based on direct experience
and logic yes everything on the path of
knowledge is based on direct experience
and logic otherwise we do not even talk
about it
strictly speaking so
how can we know conclude this emptiness
it's very easy you try to find the
substrate there try to find a substrate
or an substance of the experiencer you
know what is the meaning of substance
this the word sub means below and stance
comes from something which stands
standing standing below the foundation
it means
that on which this thing stands and you
will find if you investigate you will
find that there is
nothing below
or above or right to the right or left
front or back of the experiencer it is
the essence it is the most fundamental
like this and that's why we say because
there are
no qualities appear there no qualities
at all so we say empty
but
we cannot
call it
nothing we don't say it is nothing
because obviously it's not nothing it is
me it is the experiencer it is one of
its cut category
so he's saying i'm asking about
experience okay no problem so when you
look at the experience what do you find
pure change
where is the change happening in what is
the change happening
can you answer me betopen what is
changing can you tell me
because when you look at the experience
you find on the change although we call
it vibration and all is it's just models
models to explain the behavior of the
change what is changing can you tell me
or anybody else who wants to answer like
when there are waves on the ocean we say
the water is changing when like you are
listening to me and
you can see the air is vibrating the
substance is air and or the substance is
water right you look at your experience
what is vibrating what is changing
he says only object is experience yes
you do not experience the substrate
it's amazing isn't it
and then
shelby says experiences keep changing
yes experiences keep changing
what is it
aware change happens i don't say the
experience is changing yes layla says
nothing is really changing yeah it's an
illusion rigid says difference in memory
yes
you see when you say memory you're
already in the science you're already in
the concepts and all we are looking at
the basics when the change happens we
say that yes there must be memories
where the comparison happened
but the memory itself is an experience
isn't it
so
that is
self-referencing answer which which
boils down to that
it is changing because it is changing
its memory is also coming out of change
right that is only a description of the
change
sri sri saying that potential appears to
itself as change that is also very good
and potential means what it also means
that there is no substance there
now here the intellect should stop
really it is beyond intellect
because the intellect cannot grasp that
which is changing
we have been saying yes we can
understand but can we directly
experience what do you want to
experience directly emptiness
the death
yes how will the emptiness appear tell
me
do you want to experience some kind of
blackness or nothingness
emptiness means that there is nothing
emptiness means that the
there is no substance
that is a trick here
when i say it is empty
that means that there is nothing to
experience
when it is experienced it will appear as
illusions
that is what your exp when you
experience anything at all objects
people bodies yourself and
whatever you see
it is you are experiencing the emptiness
only like sunday said you see rock is me
my nature is rock it's nature whatever
you're experiencing right now is an
emptiness only
what else do you want to experience can
you tell me
but it looks like you have a
conditioning there that everything
should be experienced
but i have a surprise for you that
nothing can be experienced it's all
empty the experiencer cannot be
experienced so if there goes the 50 part
whatever is changing cannot be
experienced that is the existence itself
there goes the 50 percent 100 percent of
it is not an experience what can be
experienced in an illusion and like you
said just
some kind of manifestation of the
potentials because there is a
possibility there there is an experience
it's not really changing like i said
differences is mem in memory yes it's
timeless it requires time to change
something and now it's not possible to
change so again it comes out to be
nothing you know the change is also
nothing
george is saying experience in the
experience are mutually exclusive that
is righteous
arun is saying we can be empty yes you
are emptiness
now
how is it possible how is possible you
can experience the emptiness there is
one more thing that when the experience
changes it leaves nothing behind nothing
is left behind of the experience and we
say that it was made up of nothing but
saying may i speak yes yes
tell me
am i a table yes actually my question is
just with there it is based on direct
experience or not
i am covering the lessons and i come
i come to know
whatever
whatever is knowledge
it should be based on direct experience
that that's why only us equity
and i understand
happiness cannot be experienced so the
question is coming yes you're right the
experience is negative next the
knowledge that we gain from this
experience is negative we try to
investigate the substance or whatever
we are not expecting things we simply
investigate let me find something there
and we come out empty-handed like i
tried to experience something but i saw
nothing and the conclusion is that it is
empty so it is based on the experience
only only that the experience is such
that the nature comes out to be the
emptiness
now if you try to observe the emptiness
no there is no positive experience there
is no positive knowledge of the
emptiness
so it is both you can say it is both
experience and logic when we when we go
and investigate nothing then the logic
comes and says let me name it as
emptiness that is what we do here okay
yes never try to
never try to experience these things
it's not possible only the illusion can
be experienced
and then drop it as illusion falls
nothing else can be known only your
ignorance can be dropped
but it's not a bad news like he said you
know it's not bad news you can be that
emptiness good congratulations you see
you are empty
it's a lot a lot of things are gained by
that isn't it no nothing is gained
nothing is gained you become empty if
you gain something something is wrong
it was a nice satsang and i hope
everybody enjoyed it everybody got their
answers
and
hopefully you are enjoying the program
also and i'll meet you next time thank
you very much for attending the meeting
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