https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_EXPSKQWv1I
what do you think is the best way to
investigate the false thought of
individuality as i said point to the
individual try to see if it is there
what do you call as individual if and
try to find if it is there if it is
changing if you point to it and if you
find it and if it is changing it is not
the individual because it will change
into something else but the thought of
the but the ignorance about
individuality will remain for example
the body of a child changes into body of
the adult but
the notion of the individuality is as
solid as before
the child was also saying i am this body
and the individual is also saying i am
this body but the body is no more if you
look at the body it is a collection of
organs and cells the individual is not a
collection it is not seen as having
components
when the illusory individual says i it
is not pointing to a group of things but
the body is a group of things and so on
you can go on investigating for example
the emotions the emotions they come and
go they are faster than the matter in
the body and you cannot say that i am
one of these emotions the individual is
not found in the emotions
similarly thought similarly memories
memories are very tricky because they
persist and most of the individuality is
derived out of memory the body also
exists in the memory this was my body
they will say but it was small this is
my body it is old but it was never not
so old before this is coming from the
memory this is not coming from the
direct experience
if you remove memory you can have a
direct experience of it and then you can
drop the body you can drop the
identification with the body but the
memory gives it a persistence now the
individual can be fixed on the memory
that look i am a collection of memories
but you if when you investigate the
individual memory you will find there is
a failed copy of the events there there
is a copy of all the experiences that
the so-called individual had the
so-called bodies had it is a series of
episodes that this individual went
through
and which one is the individual then
there is again multiplicity there there
are so many millions of memories where
is the individual in it and people will
always say i have the memory i am not
the memory so pointing works pointing
works to destroy the idea of the
individual
you can do the same if you have access
to the causal body or the subtle bodies
or the projected bodies you can do the
same with them and you will find that
there are structures and structures and
structures that are changing activities
that are happening but there is no
individual and you will find something
strange also we have this ability to
detect this thing that individual is
also an activity that arises in the
waking state
so in the series of videos we have dealt
with four states waking dreaming
projected and sleep you will find that
there is a very strange thing that the
individual appears in the waking state
rest of the three states there is no
individual or if there is it is created
on demand like in the dreaming state
a new individual is created a new body a
new memory is there which has nothing to
do with the waking memory except there
is a resemblance there it is constructed
out of the waking memory but the
individual is different the personality
is little bit similar but
even there is a new world there are
relatives and so on
upon waking that is seen as false and
the case is similar in the projected
states it can become a very real
experience probably more real than the
waking state and upon coming back to the
waking state which is our kind of base
we compare everything relative to the
waking state which is kind of wrong but
we do it because we don't have any
stable frame of reference we do not have
a frame of reference which we can call
as true
state there are no true states all these
four states and other states you know
there are many states they are all
illusory they are all like dreams one
dream ends other starts the other end
some something else starts so for for
the time being we simply assume that the
waking state is our frame of reference
and when we compare other states of this
memory structure we find that different
kinds of individual appear and disappear
there
and that gives us this knowledge that in
this state which is not absolute the
waking state the individual is a product
of the mind it is a process in the mind
it is very easy to see actually even
without knowing all this philosophy it
is possible to see it see that there is
first an event by event i mean it can be
just a perception it can be a feeling an
emotion it can be a thought or
imagination and you will see that the
first that event happens and later
another event happens which brands it as
mind
i did it i saw it i heard it i felt it i
was happy i am happy i am sad i am
thinking this i am imagining this but
the event has already happened the eye
came later
the eye does not appear to be causing
the event the eye appears to be an
effect of the event
this can be seen by everybody i think
anybody with a ordinary intelligence
will be able to observe this directly
and the individual is an effect of
activity of the memory structure remove
the activity it's gone which is our
direct experience it happens in the
state of sleep deep sleep because and
the active there is activity actually
there
but the activity is meaningless from the
point of view of the waking state and so
there is no individual as we see in the
waking state
there is no individual there there is
something which we call as the causal
body but the individuality is not that
sharply outlined this fuzziness there
some people will say that is
universality no that is not there is no
such thing as universality it cannot be
witnessed it cannot be witnessed as an
individual you can say in other words
that all that can be witnessed is
universality minus the individual both
both statements are same
the wave cannot see the water all that
will be seen is the is water and the
wave arising there that's all we'll be
saying if that is if this direct seeing
it does not work then you can do the
progressive elimination as shown in the
one of the videos in the series since
you are in the program you can write
down about it
and submit it for review if you don't
want to do that find a teacher nearby
teacher will take you through the
process of investigation of the
individuality usually it is not required
it takes only one minute to know that no
there is no individual
what happens is because of the survival
pressures in the waking state the
individual comes back that is its
function actually that is why it is
there that is why this effect is there
which claims everything is me and mine
everything and anything actually it will
say the objects are mine it will say the
food is mine it will say the relatives
are mine people are mine
is defined in terms of the society
actually
it is very interesting without society
there is no probably no need of the
individual it is a
mechanism to isolate one structure out
of the society
responsibility ownership these define
the individual not the body not the
voice or anything else these things can
change but responsibility and ownership
they are given by the society given by
the group of individuals and that is
found only in the waking state and so as
soon as this satsang is over you will be
an individual it will be very very solid
for you it does not really go away only
the illusion is seen so we accept it
except the individual it is very useful
for survival just do not accept that it
is the truth
so you will see this pattern on the path
of knowledge all the time that first
there is an ignorance of some kind there
is darkness muddiness of some kind
then we clear it and we find that no no
everything that i thought was wrong and
then the third
stage arrives very well where we accept
it
now it is purified and i i take it back
i have no problem being the individual
because i fully know that there is no
such individual there is hole that's all
there is
now the life is lived as if i am the
whole but in the form of an individual
only there is a shift in the point of
view that's all live the life from the
point of view of the whole from the
unity
and you utilize this illusion to
continue the play you will find that it
has no purpose it has no meaning so you
give it a purpose you give it a meaning
and continue
this completes the path actually now
there is nothing to do nothing more to
do if you don't take the third step you
will remain confused who am i am i the
individual should i do this should i do
that these thoughts will be racing in
your mind and then you will find that
the path of knowledge has brought you to
more confusing level i was
i was a good person i was a happy person
before i came to know that there is no
person and that is because you have not
taken the final step of surrender
roman is saying if the individual is
needed for survival then that must be
what ego is yes individual ego identity
person they are same their names of the
same thing i is also added into that
sometimes sometimes we remove the eye
from it and we identify with the
experiencer which is not really needed
but this is what spiritual people do
they will remove the eye from the ego
and they will put it on the experiencer
an experiencer is universal does is not
needed because there is no you so the
eye arises as a reaction to you or the
other as i said it is imposed by the
society on a particular structure of the
body mind so if there are others there
is this individual from the point of
view of the experiencer there is no
other so the eye can be dropped
completely but we use it because of our
habit
because there is nothing in the language
that enables communication without the
use of i and you
if you could form a language which has
no i no you no time no space then
probably will understand nothing we
won't be able to talk because the whole
language is based on concept of the
individual in a physical world the
language is actually language of
ignorance it is useful only in the
waking state
there is no language of the universality
or we can say that silence is the only
language that describes the truth as
soon as we speak we are back in the
illusion and there we need to use some
words and people have formed so many
words so the general definition is
anything that has a form that can be
isolated from the surroundings becomes
the individual
there was another interesting question
in the same category this applies to the
spiritual people not to the ordinary
people and the question says that isn't
the identification with the self or the
brahman shiva shunya experiencer
whatever atman isn't that a bondage
or the question is saying that why is
there an i when the truth is known that
is what we were discussing right now
even though the language is limited it
can be cleared it can be clarified in
the beginning that there is no i but
look i am going to use the word i which
will stand for the wholeness because
right now the whole has assumed this
point of view of the individual as a
concession i'll say that yes this
individual is the whole and actually
this statement is totally meaningless
but we use it we use it as a stepping
stone in order to bring the other into
our own state if that is not used the
other will never know what you're
talking about
silence
is the most accurate description but it
does not communicate
to
those who are ignorant yes your
questions are good the question is never
bad even if it is
the most basic kind of question
everything is welcome here if the
question is very very basic then the
answer is craft it so that the person
understands what is what is said
sometimes it's a total lie also because
that is what they are going to
understand
that crafted answer is used as a
stepping stone it is not the final
so the identification with the self or
the brahman is actually for the
practical purposes and that is my
opinion you know some people may not
agree with it they will say no no it is
okay to it is perfectly logical to call
the self as i are the brahman as i which
i usually call as the existence
existence can say i nothing can stop it
a better word is v that is even more
confusing when i say we are the whole we
are the existence many people will
understand it that is much better than
the i but those who are in ignorance
they still don't get it they will say no
no probably i don't know about you but i
am not the whole i'm still an individual
the identification and the waking state
is so strong there that
it is not possible for them to
disidentify so the teacher assumes an
identification okay you are that but i
am this and now please try to see that
you are also that which i am
and again the process is negative the
person who is in ignorance will be shown
that you are not that which you think
you are that is what will be shown
what will happen is if you read too many
books and if you listen to too many
teachers without doing the self-inquiry
without doing any kind of investigation
or progressive elimination and you are
not convinced of this absence of the
individual then the identification with
the self or the brahman will be real you
will start thinking that of so many
great people are telling me that i am
brahmana it is written in so many books
and i am brahmana i am the existence i
am the experiencer it feels like i am
that sometimes then probably i am that
and what this has done is simply formed
one more belief there instead of
removing the ignorance completely from
the root it has simply shifted the
identification to the to a concept in
the mind something similar to
what happens when we shift the
identification to the causal body for
example
teacher will tell you that you don't die
you don't die don't worry this thing
called the causal body is taking these
forms you are the causal body because it
is kind of more stable more stationary
it is also impermanent but it will last
for millions of years so
something similar can happen that there
is something which is more stable and
more permanent and probably that is me
but no the identification with the
concepts is only in the mind there is no
realization here and such people can be
seen directly i mean it is possible to
identify them it is possible to know
them that
they do not have a realization they are
simply talking about it
they are talking about it as a concept
so they will picture the self as
something big and eternal and universal
which occupies the whole universe
and there are more metaphors like light
and
i don't know whatever so they will
picture it as soon as you form a picture
of it it becomes a concept and
and the real experiencer is buried
behind these concepts
this will happen a lot to those who are
highly educated because too much
indoctrination has
made a concrete wall in their intellect
that
very solid wall cannot be destroyed
easily and this wall will be formed
again especially in the societies in the
cultures where materialism is very very
strong
the
self remains a concept a philosophy of
some kind because never bother to
investigate deeply
in their mind there is this kind of fog
there is this kind of hallucination
internal hallucination that what i think
must be real this is the state of a
impure intellect i am thinking this and
therefore it has to be real and the
wall of thought is very solid there
cannot go behind it cannot cross it and
when i say that look you are not aware
you are still thinking and they will say
what do you mean by aware i am
completely aware what are they aware of
is their thoughts not of their being
being is beyond thought being is not a
concept being is not an object so the
indoctrination is so strong that it will
not go away for majority of the people
therefore we always say that it is grace
not the words not the books not the
teacher not any kind of practice it is
the grace that will bring self-real
self-realization nothing else
for such people who have blockages we
call them blockages and the very big
blockage is there in
on the layer of emotions where the
feelings of very very subtle kinds are
seen as i they are seen as the cell and
it can produce a lot of feelings there
there is no end to it
for such people there are brute force
methods to break these blockages and
that is the path of experiences like one
after the other
many experiences are given which show
again and again that there is no
individual
and the problem with this is that i
think in my opinion that this has become
a corrupt practice now and people are
running after experiences the real
motive of having an experience which
is not an ordinary experience not an
everyday experience has been lost and
people run after the experiences that
let me have this ex i am so spiritual
because i had this and that experience
but your current experience is enough to
tell you that there is no individuality
you don't need anything extraordinary
unless there is an obstacle there is a
blockage and then the teacher is going
to prescribe a medicine which is an
experience you don't need to keep on
taking the medicine or you don't need
higher dose of medicine if you if the
cure has happened if the disease of
ignorance has cleared but that does not
really happen they simply assume that
having these experiences is spirituality
if you know yourself as an experience
then it's already failed so the
individuality remains the individual is
now that which is having the experiences
of different kinds and the individual is
that which is seeking in a new form of a
seeker
on the path of knowledge we simply end
this drama completely no seeker no
seeking no experience is needed by
experiences i mean strange experiences
no practices needed that is why it is
the most powerful spiritual path in the
whole universe that is why i take so
much trouble making these videos taking
you through them answering the questions
doing this satsang
it is possible to give you an
progressive path it is possible that i
can recommend something which is
progressive that is only when it is
needed when there are obstacles that are
too big sometimes something reverse
happens that why are you telling me all
these things why are you telling me
about the illusion and no individual and
this experiencer there are no such
things there is absolute emptiness which
is conscious and alive and has a light
of its own
and the whole thing that you told in
those 50 episodes is complete garbage
and i completely agree you don't need
all those things you see actually the
first episode starts like this with if
you know what i'm talking about you'll
waste a lot of time listening to these
videos go forward only if you can't
understand what i'm talking about
so if you think that there is an effort
in walking on the path of knowledge
it is your own making it is your own
creation it is your own obstacle the
path of knowledge does not want to take
you anywhere
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