Falsifiability Of Individual & Obstacles To Self Realisation

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_EXPSKQWv1I

what do you think is the best way to

investigate the false thought of

individuality as i said point to the

individual try to see if it is there

what do you call as individual if and

try to find if it is there if it is

changing if you point to it and if you

find it and if it is changing it is not

the individual because it will change

into something else but the thought of

the but the ignorance about

individuality will remain for example

the body of a child changes into body of

the adult but

the notion of the individuality is as

solid as before

the child was also saying i am this body

and the individual is also saying i am

this body but the body is no more if you

look at the body it is a collection of

organs and cells the individual is not a

collection it is not seen as having

components

when the illusory individual says i it

is not pointing to a group of things but

the body is a group of things and so on

you can go on investigating for example

the emotions the emotions they come and

go they are faster than the matter in

the body and you cannot say that i am

one of these emotions the individual is

not found in the emotions

similarly thought similarly memories

memories are very tricky because they

persist and most of the individuality is

derived out of memory the body also

exists in the memory this was my body

they will say but it was small this is

my body it is old but it was never not

so old before this is coming from the

memory this is not coming from the

direct experience

if you remove memory you can have a

direct experience of it and then you can

drop the body you can drop the

identification with the body but the

memory gives it a persistence now the

individual can be fixed on the memory

that look i am a collection of memories

but you if when you investigate the

individual memory you will find there is

a failed copy of the events there there

is a copy of all the experiences that

the so-called individual had the

so-called bodies had it is a series of

episodes that this individual went

through

and which one is the individual then

there is again multiplicity there there

are so many millions of memories where

is the individual in it and people will

always say i have the memory i am not

the memory so pointing works pointing

works to destroy the idea of the

individual

you can do the same if you have access

to the causal body or the subtle bodies

or the projected bodies you can do the

same with them and you will find that

there are structures and structures and

structures that are changing activities

that are happening but there is no

individual and you will find something

strange also we have this ability to

detect this thing that individual is

also an activity that arises in the

waking state

so in the series of videos we have dealt

with four states waking dreaming

projected and sleep you will find that

there is a very strange thing that the

individual appears in the waking state

rest of the three states there is no

individual or if there is it is created

on demand like in the dreaming state

a new individual is created a new body a

new memory is there which has nothing to

do with the waking memory except there

is a resemblance there it is constructed

out of the waking memory but the

individual is different the personality

is little bit similar but

even there is a new world there are

relatives and so on

upon waking that is seen as false and

the case is similar in the projected

states it can become a very real

experience probably more real than the

waking state and upon coming back to the

waking state which is our kind of base

we compare everything relative to the

waking state which is kind of wrong but

we do it because we don't have any

stable frame of reference we do not have

a frame of reference which we can call

as true

state there are no true states all these

four states and other states you know

there are many states they are all

illusory they are all like dreams one

dream ends other starts the other end

some something else starts so for for

the time being we simply assume that the

waking state is our frame of reference

and when we compare other states of this

memory structure we find that different

kinds of individual appear and disappear

there

and that gives us this knowledge that in

this state which is not absolute the

waking state the individual is a product

of the mind it is a process in the mind

it is very easy to see actually even

without knowing all this philosophy it

is possible to see it see that there is

first an event by event i mean it can be

just a perception it can be a feeling an

emotion it can be a thought or

imagination and you will see that the

first that event happens and later

another event happens which brands it as

mind

i did it i saw it i heard it i felt it i

was happy i am happy i am sad i am

thinking this i am imagining this but

the event has already happened the eye

came later

the eye does not appear to be causing

the event the eye appears to be an

effect of the event

this can be seen by everybody i think

anybody with a ordinary intelligence

will be able to observe this directly

and the individual is an effect of

activity of the memory structure remove

the activity it's gone which is our

direct experience it happens in the

state of sleep deep sleep because and

the active there is activity actually

there

but the activity is meaningless from the

point of view of the waking state and so

there is no individual as we see in the

waking state

there is no individual there there is

something which we call as the causal

body but the individuality is not that

sharply outlined this fuzziness there

some people will say that is

universality no that is not there is no

such thing as universality it cannot be

witnessed it cannot be witnessed as an

individual you can say in other words

that all that can be witnessed is

universality minus the individual both

both statements are same

the wave cannot see the water all that

will be seen is the is water and the

wave arising there that's all we'll be

saying if that is if this direct seeing

it does not work then you can do the

progressive elimination as shown in the

one of the videos in the series since

you are in the program you can write

down about it

and submit it for review if you don't

want to do that find a teacher nearby

teacher will take you through the

process of investigation of the

individuality usually it is not required

it takes only one minute to know that no

there is no individual

what happens is because of the survival

pressures in the waking state the

individual comes back that is its

function actually that is why it is

there that is why this effect is there

which claims everything is me and mine

everything and anything actually it will

say the objects are mine it will say the

food is mine it will say the relatives

are mine people are mine

is defined in terms of the society

actually

it is very interesting without society

there is no probably no need of the

individual it is a

mechanism to isolate one structure out

of the society

responsibility ownership these define

the individual not the body not the

voice or anything else these things can

change but responsibility and ownership

they are given by the society given by

the group of individuals and that is

found only in the waking state and so as

soon as this satsang is over you will be

an individual it will be very very solid

for you it does not really go away only

the illusion is seen so we accept it

except the individual it is very useful

for survival just do not accept that it

is the truth

so you will see this pattern on the path

of knowledge all the time that first

there is an ignorance of some kind there

is darkness muddiness of some kind

then we clear it and we find that no no

everything that i thought was wrong and

then the third

stage arrives very well where we accept

it

now it is purified and i i take it back

i have no problem being the individual

because i fully know that there is no

such individual there is hole that's all

there is

now the life is lived as if i am the

whole but in the form of an individual

only there is a shift in the point of

view that's all live the life from the

point of view of the whole from the

unity

and you utilize this illusion to

continue the play you will find that it

has no purpose it has no meaning so you

give it a purpose you give it a meaning

and continue

this completes the path actually now

there is nothing to do nothing more to

do if you don't take the third step you

will remain confused who am i am i the

individual should i do this should i do

that these thoughts will be racing in

your mind and then you will find that

the path of knowledge has brought you to

more confusing level i was

i was a good person i was a happy person

before i came to know that there is no

person and that is because you have not

taken the final step of surrender

roman is saying if the individual is

needed for survival then that must be

what ego is yes individual ego identity

person they are same their names of the

same thing i is also added into that

sometimes sometimes we remove the eye

from it and we identify with the

experiencer which is not really needed

but this is what spiritual people do

they will remove the eye from the ego

and they will put it on the experiencer

an experiencer is universal does is not

needed because there is no you so the

eye arises as a reaction to you or the

other as i said it is imposed by the

society on a particular structure of the

body mind so if there are others there

is this individual from the point of

view of the experiencer there is no

other so the eye can be dropped

completely but we use it because of our

habit

because there is nothing in the language

that enables communication without the

use of i and you

if you could form a language which has

no i no you no time no space then

probably will understand nothing we

won't be able to talk because the whole

language is based on concept of the

individual in a physical world the

language is actually language of

ignorance it is useful only in the

waking state

there is no language of the universality

or we can say that silence is the only

language that describes the truth as

soon as we speak we are back in the

illusion and there we need to use some

words and people have formed so many

words so the general definition is

anything that has a form that can be

isolated from the surroundings becomes

the individual

there was another interesting question

in the same category this applies to the

spiritual people not to the ordinary

people and the question says that isn't

the identification with the self or the

brahman shiva shunya experiencer

whatever atman isn't that a bondage

or the question is saying that why is

there an i when the truth is known that

is what we were discussing right now

even though the language is limited it

can be cleared it can be clarified in

the beginning that there is no i but

look i am going to use the word i which

will stand for the wholeness because

right now the whole has assumed this

point of view of the individual as a

concession i'll say that yes this

individual is the whole and actually

this statement is totally meaningless

but we use it we use it as a stepping

stone in order to bring the other into

our own state if that is not used the

other will never know what you're

talking about

silence

is the most accurate description but it

does not communicate

to

those who are ignorant yes your

questions are good the question is never

bad even if it is

the most basic kind of question

everything is welcome here if the

question is very very basic then the

answer is craft it so that the person

understands what is what is said

sometimes it's a total lie also because

that is what they are going to

understand

that crafted answer is used as a

stepping stone it is not the final

so the identification with the self or

the brahman is actually for the

practical purposes and that is my

opinion you know some people may not

agree with it they will say no no it is

okay to it is perfectly logical to call

the self as i are the brahman as i which

i usually call as the existence

existence can say i nothing can stop it

a better word is v that is even more

confusing when i say we are the whole we

are the existence many people will

understand it that is much better than

the i but those who are in ignorance

they still don't get it they will say no

no probably i don't know about you but i

am not the whole i'm still an individual

the identification and the waking state

is so strong there that

it is not possible for them to

disidentify so the teacher assumes an

identification okay you are that but i

am this and now please try to see that

you are also that which i am

and again the process is negative the

person who is in ignorance will be shown

that you are not that which you think

you are that is what will be shown

what will happen is if you read too many

books and if you listen to too many

teachers without doing the self-inquiry

without doing any kind of investigation

or progressive elimination and you are

not convinced of this absence of the

individual then the identification with

the self or the brahman will be real you

will start thinking that of so many

great people are telling me that i am

brahmana it is written in so many books

and i am brahmana i am the existence i

am the experiencer it feels like i am

that sometimes then probably i am that

and what this has done is simply formed

one more belief there instead of

removing the ignorance completely from

the root it has simply shifted the

identification to the to a concept in

the mind something similar to

what happens when we shift the

identification to the causal body for

example

teacher will tell you that you don't die

you don't die don't worry this thing

called the causal body is taking these

forms you are the causal body because it

is kind of more stable more stationary

it is also impermanent but it will last

for millions of years so

something similar can happen that there

is something which is more stable and

more permanent and probably that is me

but no the identification with the

concepts is only in the mind there is no

realization here and such people can be

seen directly i mean it is possible to

identify them it is possible to know

them that

they do not have a realization they are

simply talking about it

they are talking about it as a concept

so they will picture the self as

something big and eternal and universal

which occupies the whole universe

and there are more metaphors like light

and

i don't know whatever so they will

picture it as soon as you form a picture

of it it becomes a concept and

and the real experiencer is buried

behind these concepts

this will happen a lot to those who are

highly educated because too much

indoctrination has

made a concrete wall in their intellect

that

very solid wall cannot be destroyed

easily and this wall will be formed

again especially in the societies in the

cultures where materialism is very very

strong

the

self remains a concept a philosophy of

some kind because never bother to

investigate deeply

in their mind there is this kind of fog

there is this kind of hallucination

internal hallucination that what i think

must be real this is the state of a

impure intellect i am thinking this and

therefore it has to be real and the

wall of thought is very solid there

cannot go behind it cannot cross it and

when i say that look you are not aware

you are still thinking and they will say

what do you mean by aware i am

completely aware what are they aware of

is their thoughts not of their being

being is beyond thought being is not a

concept being is not an object so the

indoctrination is so strong that it will

not go away for majority of the people

therefore we always say that it is grace

not the words not the books not the

teacher not any kind of practice it is

the grace that will bring self-real

self-realization nothing else

for such people who have blockages we

call them blockages and the very big

blockage is there in

on the layer of emotions where the

feelings of very very subtle kinds are

seen as i they are seen as the cell and

it can produce a lot of feelings there

there is no end to it

for such people there are brute force

methods to break these blockages and

that is the path of experiences like one

after the other

many experiences are given which show

again and again that there is no

individual

and the problem with this is that i

think in my opinion that this has become

a corrupt practice now and people are

running after experiences the real

motive of having an experience which

is not an ordinary experience not an

everyday experience has been lost and

people run after the experiences that

let me have this ex i am so spiritual

because i had this and that experience

but your current experience is enough to

tell you that there is no individuality

you don't need anything extraordinary

unless there is an obstacle there is a

blockage and then the teacher is going

to prescribe a medicine which is an

experience you don't need to keep on

taking the medicine or you don't need

higher dose of medicine if you if the

cure has happened if the disease of

ignorance has cleared but that does not

really happen they simply assume that

having these experiences is spirituality

if you know yourself as an experience

then it's already failed so the

individuality remains the individual is

now that which is having the experiences

of different kinds and the individual is

that which is seeking in a new form of a

seeker

on the path of knowledge we simply end

this drama completely no seeker no

seeking no experience is needed by

experiences i mean strange experiences

no practices needed that is why it is

the most powerful spiritual path in the

whole universe that is why i take so

much trouble making these videos taking

you through them answering the questions

doing this satsang

it is possible to give you an

progressive path it is possible that i

can recommend something which is

progressive that is only when it is

needed when there are obstacles that are

too big sometimes something reverse

happens that why are you telling me all

these things why are you telling me

about the illusion and no individual and

this experiencer there are no such

things there is absolute emptiness which

is conscious and alive and has a light

of its own

and the whole thing that you told in

those 50 episodes is complete garbage

and i completely agree you don't need

all those things you see actually the

first episode starts like this with if

you know what i'm talking about you'll

waste a lot of time listening to these

videos go forward only if you can't

understand what i'm talking about

so if you think that there is an effort

in walking on the path of knowledge

it is your own making it is your own

creation it is your own obstacle the

path of knowledge does not want to take

you anywhere