Suffering and Spirituality

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zw4XTaDicWA

saying what is the consequence of an

enlightened person ending their own life

consequence is a very bad consequence

just like any other person committing

suicide killing themselves as a bad

consequence

first thing enlightened person is not

going to end their life he's not

enlightened that means isn't it not

enlightened at all there's no knowledge

there stupid person so

whomever

you know with this monk was a

politically oriented fellow isn't it and

he was criticized by other monks for too

much involvement in the world

you see this buddhist monks they can be

like a rock they can be stone-hearted

sometimes especially the zen people

looks like they have no heart at all

instead of sympathizing they're laughing

at this

yes because stupid isn't it not

enlightened at all

if you have the knowledge you will

utilize your human life if you want more

knowledge you will come here again and

again there's nothing wrong in human

life is

what is the problem you are repeating

the same suffering that is the problem

isn't it nothing wrong in humans you can

come here to enjoy come here to watch

the show like i told you this is a very

grand show going on here

just kill yourself because some

political stuff happened

that is stupidity

yes they will be stuck there will be

consequences and nothing to worry he

will be born again and he will get the

knowledge again

nothing to worry

but

it will be delayed by a few thousand

years now who wants that kind of delay

you cannot if your flight is delayed by

half an hour you become really impatient

when i say few thousand years

then

it is a disaster because you see there

is something called the

lower worlds

you kill yourself and you have no place

in this physical world and not no place

in the higher world obviously

and then you end up in the lower worlds

the narak are the ghost relims whatever

they call it in english i don't know

what is called in hells

hell is probably too religious but

there are lower worlds and they get

stuck there so they need to evolve back

here or if his guru is very kind the

guru will go there and bring him up

but i don't think there's a shortcut

here

so an ordinary person commits suicide

it's already very bad a spiritual person

which is kind of impossible for me to

imagine you know how can a spiritual

person do that

so

it's a corrupted form of some kind of

practice

saying actions are triggered by causal

body with same logic suicide would

happen why would this happen yes you see

you're right

there is impurity in the causal body

that is causing this thing it is just

impurity whatever we call as affliction

mental disorder so sometimes it is a

consequence of your present karmic

issues you acquire it in the present

lifetime but if you're born suicidal and

there are people like this

that means the societal tendency is

continuing from the previous lifetimes

and these people have a defective causal

body

as i said in the last meeting the

afflictions

they can go into the higher layers it is

possible they are stored there forever

the phobias and all these things you

know people are born with these things

so there are defects in the causal body

it is not impossible to treat them it is

possible to treat you need a doctor who

has a who has an access to the causal

body very few are there you can imagine

not not any normal doctor will be able

to do that you need access to a few

things you need access to the other side

like we say

the doctor who can treat the higher

layers who can clear the afflictions

from these mental layers

has always has a assistance from the

other side

you know what is the other side

non-physical side isn't it

so we have this kind of assistance if

you want you can develop it

and they are called the guru field they

will show up if you want to treat

somebody although it is not guaranteed

you see it's no it's not guaranteed yes

but if you're committed to the spiritual

paths then

many people are ready to help you

they're sitting there their job is to

help seekers

why don't you ask simply ask

the defects in the causal body also can

be removed you need simply some

assistance while being physical we

cannot even see what is there isn't it

cannot see our own causal body the

software there lots of software so only

software engineer can

can do the job just call the second

level you will be given some assistance

benjamin is asking are all sufferings

precious gems for seekers since they

gracefully highlight the ignorance very

good question see you can

use a knife to cut the vegetables and

you can use a knife to cut your finger

also isn't it suffering is like that use

the suffering for

you you can use the suffering for

jumping into the spiritual world or you

can just

cut your own finger with it just suffer

forever so they become a precious gem

only when they are used in this way like

a tool jumping platform for the next

level of evolution

we can use them because what is

suffering showing suffering is showing a

defect

if you can see the defect and you feel

if you clear the defect the sudden

evolution sudden jump transformation

but if you keep suffering no i don't

want to go to the guru no i don't want a

spiritual path no i'll just suffer here

somebody else is responsible for my

suffering so i'll just take revenge

again and again and again that means

you're cutting your own finger this will

never end the suffering so there are

lucky few who can see that their

suffering is their own doing and they do

the self-correction and they seek the

help of a guru don't be shy seek the

help help is here isn't it

and then

that suffering can be utilized like i

said

you if you can see your what kind of

ignorance is causing my suffering it is

my own obviously i'm the one who is

responsible for my suffering and that

now becomes a tool that is why i say you

know people come on the spiritual path

because of these two reasons one is

suffering in second is curiosity

curiosity you can say is a small kind of

suffering is a refined suffering what is

curiosity i don't know tell me tell me

tell me i don't know it's a uneasiness

of not knowing

suffering

in very very refined suffering

so there can be many kinds of sufferings

and

we can utilize some of them and then get

rid of the others you see not really

necessary they're useless

once you know that it is what is the job

of suffering you have taken advantage of

it then you need to let go of it don't

keep suffering because i need to evolve

more no no

there is something called path of

suffering where the evolution happens

because you are suffering and there is a

proper path of spirituality where we

consciously evolve you don't need

suffering to evolve isn't it

intelligently consciously with the

awareness we evolve with intention

intelligence message use the intention

to evolve not the suffering use the

tools use the guru use the knowledge use

the scriptures use the prayers use the

non-physical use the tundra whatever is

your thing use it don't suffer

satya singh when there is suffering the

intensity in spiritual it is high yes

urgency isn't it urgency those who are

suffering they just rush into

spirituality