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welcome to the pure experiences podcasts [Music]
our main goal here is to get knowledge usually when we start
on the path of knowledge we don't have any clue how to do that
and usually we are initiated into this path by a guru and
he is the source of knowledge for most of us we are inducting
into a specific kind of behavior starting from our childhood which is
to trust to believe blindly anybody who is giving you knowledge
especially your teachers in the schools you were never taught
to distrust the teacher and i can guarantee you this
you believed all your teachers each and every word they said completely totally
unquestionably it was taken as an obvious truth so if the teacher said elephants are
found in africa you never questioned it again you never wondered about it
and we carry this kind of conditioning with us that the figures of authority they
always speak truth no matter what the ignorance or the darkness in the
minds because of this conditioning is so deep that many of you must be
shocked to hear this probably you are hearing this for the first time that you behaved like this and you still
behave like this especially on the path of knowledge or on any spiritual path this kind of
conditioning continues and whatever the guru says is taken as
truth nothing but truth we do not doubt our teachers
even if that person is not our teacher he is somebody great some big master
probably long dead master we automatically assume that whatever he has said is true
this is just a defect in our minds this is just conditioning programming
now many of you will think that who else is going to say the truth if not the teachers and gurus and the
figures the authorities the esteemed well-respected learned
people if they don't say the truth then who else will say it obviously not a
politician not your leader not the military or not your bank manager
they are opposites of teachers and this is again
just conditioning because you do not know any other source of truth you do not know any other source of knowledge
you were never given the sources you were given teachings
you were told to parrot whatever these truth-seers are saying
so this question is also obvious that it comes out of
conditioning is there anything really original
anything that we can call intelligent in an average human mind
is there anything isn't it all conditioning
now there can be another question which is more intelligent
i would say is that there is a reason that we trust our teachers
most of the time they are right and they are our initial source of knowledge so
there is no other way but to listen to them if you don't listen to them
well there is no other way to know you won't even know that you don't know
you know this is very reasonable thing to say what we do is we give a benefit of doubt
that the authority or the guru or the teacher is right and most of the people will stop here
probably he's right he's a great person he's so respected he's 3 000 years old
so obviously must be saying something true otherwise the teaching won't survive this long
so many people believe in it so we look for the circumstantial evidence because we have
no way to find direct evidence and probably we are too lazy to find
that probably most of us they don't care okay the capital of this country is this
now you must memorize this if you want to pass in the exams or this multiplied by this equals to
this the square root of this is that and you know these little things
truths not as truths but as a strategy to
come out of this hell that you call schools that is your ticket out of
that places of torture that your mind must tolerate for
12 years 15 years 20 years whatever when you remain in such kind of environment
for so long then obviously the mind dies the intelligence dies the
curiosity dies brain dead is the right word for an educated person
knows too much he does not know how to know memorized so much
found nothing of his own so most of us it is kind of survival strategy to
simply accept that which somebody bigger in size is saying
you know you know what i mean you are trapped in the school you're trapped in the society better obey
otherwise they are going to make your life very very miserable you won't get a job you won't get the food you won't get married
you won't have any respect in the society you can't leave the society you will die
or that life will be very very boring and miserable what else can you do
but to accept the system that you are in what a hopeless situation
what kind of dark pit that the humans have created for themselves
is the illiterate person any different from these
survival machines so called educated people so some people may say what are you
saying we should not believe our teachers we should not believe the guru we should not have any faith on the
teachings is that your point now you make it a little bit tricky it's
not difficult for me to answer because there is no other option isn't it you
must take the teaching at its face value when you're facing the teacher
is there another option can you argue with the teacher the teacher will kick you out
good luck with that nobody likes to be argued with especially somebody who knows
is very irritating so it's my personal experience actually and therefore i learned this
not to argue with the teacher except accept provisionally at least
this situation is not going to come for many people they accept because that is what
their conditioning is some may go ahead and act on the teaching
that's what spiritual teaching is meant for it is not just entertainment
it is not for fun it's not going to give you any jobs don't worry it is
required it is necessary to act to decide on what how should i act
on many many issues otherwise it's if you don't need to act then what is
the use of the knowledge the knowledge is that which changes the being
if it does not then who cares the jupiter has 80 satellites
did this change your life in any meaningful way but you must
get this so-called knowledge in quotes if you want to pass your astronomy exam
you want to clear your physics paper whatever they call it
for 90 percent this is the only need for the remaining 10 percent it is
amusing oh 80 satellites must be amazing place
there are now 80 ways to be lunatic on jupiter really amazing
so we do not argue that is not the solution you can accept
there must be a good reason you ask the question there must be good reason you are sitting with the teacher
so why waste that valuable opportunity that time that
favor the teacher is doing you by telling you something in arguments
so i've learned this through my own experience and
i have both sides of the experience as a student i argued
and it was a disaster as a teacher i face
those who want to argue don't want to listen to me and it is a lot of irritation
so the conclusion is no we need to accept whatever the teachers are saying
there is a good reason that the society tells you to simply accept just to
blindly believe these are all practical things so i am not going to say anything
it is your wish i can say free will believe don't believe
it's up to you usually the first teacher wins if the first teacher told you the earth
is flat then for for your whole life it is flat then whoever says it is something else a
round or like a potato or like banana
you are going to simply discard it this is another tendency of the mind
once it forms a belief especially the blind belief not well thought
so called knowledge it cannot let go of it a belief is what it looks like knowledge isn't it
why would you hold something which somebody says is a lie
are you going to hold that no somebody tells you that it's a fact it's truth
and then the mind holds it then no matter what you're not going to let it go
your country is the biggest and the best your race is superior didn't they tell you
now can you accept anything else no there are opposite cases also
that let us say the country is ruled by some some other people foreigners
and they brainwashed that country the people in the original people in that country
into thinking that your country is poor your country is garbage
your country is mentally you are lowly of the lowliest you are
worth nothing you're worthy of being slaves and if they do it for 200 years
you get a country that is a perfect slave it is it is a that's what people believe
so as soon as they get educated the first thing to do is leave the country
there is no patriotism there is no respect for the country they keep it dirty and poor as they were told
those who are cunning those who are smart they know how the mind works and exploit
the mind like this fortunately this does not happen a lot
and it's it's a matter of time that people wake up they come out of the lies
there are cases when it is not so important to believe anything
specifically and that knowledge stays then nobody challenges that knowledge
it will stay so the religious beliefs come in this category history comes in this category once you
are told a specific kind of history you are going to believe it no matter what
if the new evidence comes up simply reject it no we were told this is the history and that is the history full
stop that will remind you of your father mother or grandfather
they think like this it is not their fault brain dead the blind is leading the blind so
everybody falls in the pit so we we we saw two main
defects in the mind that usually knowledge is not its concern so
beliefs are whatever gets gets the organism through the world and that is that is
what is stoned in the mind you think mind is something
it's a very accurate and intelligent thing now it is exactly opposite
and the second is once a belief takes hold of the mind the first teacher
remember you cannot let it go then it will conflict with whatever comes in because
it was blindly placed it is like your first girlfriend she refuses to go away
the first impression is very strong impression it is the biggest impression
that decides whether the child is going to grow up as a criminal or as a good
citizen law abiding fellow first few years of the life
we think mind is very sophisticated very complex
as a result of millions of years of evolution this intelligence that we have
but if you ask me it is worth throwing in garbage
it is paradoxical because you see that is the most advanced thing in the universe the visible universe then i say it is
worth throwing in the garbage because it is a programmable device you see it depends on how you program it
that is all it is it can become a pile of junk or it can
be something useful marvelous amazing depends on how we use it
inherently the mind has nothing special inherently there are no mechanisms there
to check the truth inherently there is nothing to get the right kind of knowledge
that is unfortunate that is what i have learned about the mind it has raw mechanisms
not the right mechanisms a lot of difference isn't it a computer is very good metaphor for the
mind it it executes the virus as efficiently and quickly
as it does any useful program this is how it is this is how the mind
is so i come to the point which is there is a need to place a mechanism there
which produces the right kind of knowledge what is the right kind of knowledge the knowledge
that leads us to the truth and what is truth that which is self-evident
is the truth it is
it is amazing that we need a definition of the truth and in this universe
in this illusory universe whatever universe you have it is left to the mind to decide what is
true what is not it is a dual thing it lies in the
domain of duality there are two things there are false things that which is is non-dual there is no
nothing is true and nothing is false there you cannot evaluate in the existence in terms of true and
false but knowledge yes we are looking for a specific kind of knowledge
and that is self-evident what can be self-evident
obviously that which can be directly experienced and that is within
that which is in front of me right now right here is self-evident
and therefore on the path of knowledge the first means of knowledge
is indirect experience approach and above nothing beats it nothing at all not a guru
not a book not your society and parents direct experience
when i heard this i found the key i've used this key to come out of this pit of conditioning this is so important
you see think about it there is only one way to know and that is your own experience
not the school not the college not the authorities not your
religious and political leaders not your doctor not your lawyer
not your bank not the company trying to sell their cheap products to you what do we believe
we believe exactly the opposite of this we ignore that is self-evident that is
in front of us and we take which the others have given us
what kind of mind is that what kind of society is that what kind of age
we are living in are we humans are we the most intelligent and rational
animal on this planet the mind will do exactly that which is needed for the survival
so why do we tend to simply accept what your leaders are saying the alpha male whatever he says
is true that is what has kept us alive since millions of years
there is a mechanism in the mind that cannot resist if a very powerful or a beautiful person
says something a beautiful beauty is just a survival advantage isn't it
same thing said by a weak an ugly person nobody pays attention to disregard it completely
so the mind does very very logical thing what is the logical thing for it to
survive that's what i said but the mind has a raw mechanism and everything is
geared towards survival not towards truth not towards towards knowledge not towards evidence
survival only as a homework you can do this exercise find out the
truth of the statement the mind needs to be trained to look into that which is self-evident
look into the direct experience and to overlook
the conditioning the genetic programming or the social programming
we need to kick it out when we are after truth this is very important
i don't think any guru says it the guru also expects that you will listen to what he is saying and go home
practice if you have a little bit of light in you you as a question sir please tell me why
this is true and the guru gets irritated he may not show it because of politeness
compassion and love but he's thinking oh no stupid students why do i always get
stupid students most of the people they won't ask the question
because they're afraid of being called stupid oh he did not understand that's why he's asking or
some may find it's very very impolite to interrupt the teacher because he is
talking since half an hour and he has a train of thought and he's saying some very awesome things
they don't want to interrupt him the question comes and goes when the q a over starts
well mind is already already saturated with the talk it has so many things to process
the question comes later and you see these if it is not connected to survival then
it is forgotten mind knows nothing except survival you will find a lot of spiritual
teaching is coated with fluff
that sounds like survival to the mind so do this because this will take you to heaven it's a good place lot of food and
mates there in the heaven that grabs the attention of the mind it tries to know what what the guru is
saying now you know gets the attention immediately oh this you if you know this it will get
rid of the suffering now you have my attention isn't it if i say emptiness
non-duality blah blah blah does nothing it offers nothing to the mind
actually it becomes instantly afraid emptiness darkness nothingness
death guru is saying i am that and runs away from the satsang
so this happened in india that many of the teachings they were sugar coated
to trap the mind to exploit the
evolutionary survival mechanisms of the mind look what has happened to those teaching
the message is gone now only the sugar coating remains like a coconut
our shell remains the meat is gone all the parts except the path of
knowledge is like this hollow even the teachers do not know what they are teaching
that is my experience so at least on the path of knowledge the teacher is
always pointing to the direct experience is not teaching you anything
that is the ideal kind of teaching all teachings are pointings
not the truth not the knowledge guru is not serving you the knowledge
he's pointing to that which is self-evident that
which is your direct experience if the guru tells you stories
you get nothing except the stories you accept it just just like you accepted all the stories that were told
to you in the school by the society by the newspaper by the tv you grow
exactly by zero amount the pile of junk that you call knowledge
grows by thousand times so a satsang in which the pointing is
not done only preaching happens is actually worse than staying ignorant
you get more conditioning that's all this can sound a little bit harsh but
the gyani is not worried about manners and
does not sugarcoat this is how it is this is my direct experience that is what i put
before you the question still remains what if i i have this kind of teacher
and don't worry there is a solution the teacher is limited by many many
things only a human isn't it same mind as you and me
cannot always do very sharp pointings cannot always bring you
to the experience direct experience of each and everything
and unfortunately there are things which can be simply told the
experience cannot be produced of those things specifically the knowledge that concerns
the illusion the maya the guru is helpless there because my experience cannot be produced on demand
the pointing pointed in air is there is no reference for the student
a student cannot look but nothing to worry there are solutions for that also
so yes it is a very good thing to do to simply accept what the guru is telling do not worry
about the direct experience or even if you if you
get the experience which means that you see it as your own experience right now right here
you are not going to get anything new you see that which is right now right here is
that which is being pointed at so if you get it if you have a question it is it is okay it is fine it is it is
okay to accept but it's not okay to never ask that question
a real guru is actually waiting for that kind of student who gets the experience
whose attention can be drawn to the direct experience and then instead of blindly accepting
the teaching or the experience the student gets up and questions it
not while the guru is delivering the lecture that is kind of rude it is
bad manners when he says now you can ask me and that is the proper time
now i can understand people are people get retired after one hour of listening to very
concentrated teachings that usually happen on the path of knowledge very very
what you call very dry intellectual
and heavy words so the mind may not want to
go into the matter in that time but there is always the next day
or there is sometimes only the q and a sessions where there is nothing to digest
and fill your stomach to prevent you from eating more
it is you are hungry and you appear in the q and a session that is the right time
sir that day you told me this and this i had this question so i'm asking it now that is the proper way the only mistake
one can do is never ask the question usually if something is self-evident
the question should not appear that which is right now right here destroys the question
if it appears it must be asked should not take it on blind faith
on the path of knowledge there is no blind faith there are no authorities here your experience is your truth and your
experience makes you authority if you experience the same thing
that i experience you are also the authority if guru has transmitted the experience to you
you are equal to the guru there are some gurus who will never say that i am the guru they will say i am just a friend
and my job is to point out what i see if you see it's okay say thank you no
more than that you don't need to touch my feet don't need to give me titles
this is india you know we do all these things anyway so a guru is a guru
only as long as he has not shown you after that
there is no difference between the guru and student i i just jokingly said that you are the
authority and it's garbage it is that the authority and the
non-authority both disappear so that's why it looks like equality it looks like
a friendship if you know what i know then see we stand on the equal ground nobody
is student nobody is teacher don't make the mistake of telling that to your school teacher
they don't like it they want to keep their title of authority their professor
and it will be like kind of stupid to say that in a non
advaith setting that i'm equal to the professor because i know whatever he has taught me
no it's impossible you see you cannot become a professor and by simply hearing his lecture
there is an experience of many many years behind the professorship
so you can say that and in the spiritual matters we see that
when the shoe of the father fits the foot of the sand and the sun has become
the family head already he is equal to the father now in the rank
something like that so a real guru will bring you to his level
he is not attached to the titles of guru professor swami this or that
he is very pleased if you become equal to him or even greater than him
there is something interesting that happens on the path of knowledge that once you teach the student how to fish
then the student is not going to ask you anything he knows how to catch the fish now this
will never happen in any other tradition not even in science direct experience
the evidence is such a great thing that it makes you independent of the
guru it makes you independent of the tradition of the system or whatever you have
joined don't need to go to satsang no need to open the big fat books
the sanskrit text half of which you don't understand there is no where to look nowhere to go
because you know how to catch the fish and the way is indirect experience to
look that is all the teacher will teach you we are grateful for only this this is
the biggest thing i am not even saying that you see truth is the biggest thing
it is all rubbish there is no such thing as truth knowledge is the biggest thing no it is
not the biggest thing there is no such thing as not as knowledge there is you will be left with this
unknowing if you have the direct experience nothing is as important as looking
directly looking without conditioning questioning and looking for an answer in your own
experience nothing is bigger than that the guru will not do anything more than
that if he is a real guru he will produce that kind of experience
once you know then you will get addicted to this kind of knowing knowing through direct
experience you will lose interest in all kinds of knowledge
you will be interested in only that which you can experience yourself which is meaningful for you
i can tell you this is so much joy this is so much fun this is
true bliss to be present with the knowledge you are the knowledge
you are the knower the knowledge and the knower are one that produces extreme bliss
compare that with the torture that happened in the school and college wherever you went
is there any other way to know how to know is the only knowledge
that you will need from the guru and that is the end of the guruship and studentship
you are equal to the guru now because you know all the knowledge is on your fingertips
now what else a student wants on the path of knowledge the trick to get all the knowledge and
this is non-literate there is this the only knowledge you need to know this is the only requirement of a guru
the guru will bring you out of this dark bit of conditioning
you think you know a lot that is what he is going to destroy and he is going to give you
the weapon the tool to know the weapon is your own experience
that is the only thing that you have and that is the only thing that you need
everything else is made up by the mind everything else is a program of this kind or that kind
everything else is a lie now we and get into a little bit of
detail here can all the experience be true experience
and the question is obviously no when you look at a mirage for example you see water in the desert
is your direct experience but is there water so not so fast you see
you may experience things and they may not be true because there are more layers of experiences they're
lying behind it below it beyond it
so you see the water you walk to the water and if the water is not coming to
you if you don't reach it it is always on the horizon then you know well something is wrong
note that the experience is always true it was an experience of a glimmering
something what was the ignorance the assumption that it is water
so there is a layer on top of diet experience which the mind has put there
because possibly it was very thirsty so it cannot think of anything else except the water
so look water water water and you run after it so you may need to
clean up this layer of assumption that is on the top of the experience it is a tricky thing now you see
many newcomers they will say yes the experience my experience my truth i see the world
the world is truth and look again because your experience is truth but world is
not the truth there are that is an assumption that there is a world the experiences of
colors and shapes and sounds and all subject to experience this is the world they there are the
objects this is the objective reality these things are made up by the mind
these are the assumptions so you see there is always something finer down
there the mind will always fool you at least it will try to fool you
in the beginning because your tool is not sharp enough now you're just starting it you're starting
to use it you're not a master of this art of enquiry
or introspection as i call it or direct experience
getting the evidence so you will fall few times don't worry
the guru will pick you up that's why i said you need to question again even if you think i have the experience
do not simply assume this is the true experience you have the experience that is fine
now instead of assuming that there is something that then i am experiencing as it is
you need to put a question mark again question it and you will always find
and using this word always very carefully because sometimes you
you reach the truth indirectly sometimes it's very rare but
happens and you will always find that there are some layers of ignorance on on top of
experience always i better say always because you will assume that you know probably this time
i'm getting the pure experience there's nothing created by the mind
there's no sugar coating on this bitter truth of emptiness
see that's what is the test of direct experience that you will always find emptiness
it is like i've leaked the question to present it but you need to know it through your own direct experience
if you find a world if you find a person if you find
a mind or if you find a self if you find all these things
then it is safe to say that your mind has created some kind of story some kind of illusion
if you find nothing if you find emptiness if you find that which cannot be known
probably that is the truth that is something which is self-evident
the other things who knows what they are story is created by your mind
and that is what you find when you look and here we can add
another means of knowledge which is the logic which is the induction deduction and all
the logical methods implications inferences without logic
experience is lame cannot walk you have the experience of the world in front of you
you will know that it is emptiness only by utilizing logic there is no other way to know it can you
can you experience emptiness it's impossible you can only know there is emptiness you
cannot experience the emptiness so you see there is truth there is experience
what are you experiencing you are experiencing emptiness right now right here what do you assume i'm experiencing the
world the mind the person the body which one are you going to accept
and the answer is that which is logical not only that which is self-evident
that which is logical because you can test the evidence only by logic
you cannot test the evidence by experience so again the example of the mirage
you see there is water probably it is water 90 chance it is water so you go and
investigate always on the horizon experience is still the same mind is
telling you the same thing more experience is not going to solve it
you will keep running after the mirage and probably die in the desert that is not a good solution
so you bring another tool you evaluate the experience look it was 20 kilometers away
one hour ago we started it still looks like it's 20 kilometers away it's probably not the water
this is logical so experience alone does not solve everything
because there is always a layer of ignorance on top of the experience we destroy that using logic
so we get the other means of knowledge that is recommended that is accepted on the path of
knowledge that is the logic not only it must be your experience it
must fit the logic it must pass the rigor of logic
otherwise your mind will fool you my experience is i am here there is a person here
you can say that is my experience isn't it now have you questioned it have you put a question mark on on this experience
like i said keep questioning till you reach emptiness can you question the emptiness some
people have done that nagarjuna is probably the most famous
and he would say no there is no emptiness also but you see mind needs needs to stop
somewhere otherwise it will go mad so we stop at emptiness we say oh
emptiness or we just make it very very clear but you cannot know it now stop looking
so till you arrive there you need to keep questioning what is emptiness it is inability of the
mind to know further it is the limit of the experience
you cannot say it is emptiness you can only say i don't know anything beyond this
that's all is needed the mind can go only this much after that
experience will leave you that which is will be with you
and it cannot be known either by direct experience or by logic or by anything else
don't even talk about the teachings gurus books videos and no no
no they are not the means of knowledge the only tool you have is the direct experience and logic
and they will not take you to the truth they will take you to emptiness
nothing is true here i don't want to discourage you from inquiry because it does not become
your experience if you listen to me only it has to be your own experience
unfortunately it's not going to take you more than a day to establish what i'm saying
i gave you the tools the direct experience and logic question question everything
now we come back to the practical things and the two more
means of knowledge that are accepted traditionally are the guru the teacher and the books
written by the gurus who knows who which guru but
it is called shruti that which was heard and obviously the guru the remover of
the darkness these two are mostly for practical purposes
because the ignorance is so deep that an average
human does not know how to use the direct experience and the logic
they do not know this this needs need to be taught what is the difference between a
scientist and a science student the science student knows a lot
in our experiments never questions he can teach he cannot invent he cannot
discover scientists knows nothing he says oh look i don't know what is here i need to
experiment i need to find out myself what means does the scientist employ
experimentation observation direct observation evidence
how does he check the evidence how does he check the readings logic
mathematics is nothing but sophisticated logic only and then he discovers something new
something worthwhile otherwise he remains like a parrot of science
who can parrot whatever is written in the textbook and that is also a very
important part of the society because we call them professors and
they are required to create scientists otherwise nobody
will be there to teach us science is nothing it is just path of knowledge
applied to a specific problem the problem of the illusion of the world
that is all it is a narrow branch of the path of knowledge so if you investigate you can go through
that branch it is perfectly valid only that you should not assume anything keep
questioning and you are you will arrive that whatever you call as physical is mind
and whatever you call it mind is emptiness you will arrive there if you keep
questioning if you are a textbook guru then no hope because the textbook is always true no
need to know more than that you have to find evidence by demanding the evidence from the guru
no i'm just joking that is again a foolish thing to do you demand the experience
you ask for the experience the guru says there is no person and you say
but i see a person it is my direct experience now provide me with an evidence that there is no person the
guru will do his best but will not be able to provide any kind of evidence
because the evidence is your own experience what can the guru do the poor fellow he
can only point to the experience he will say he will use some
citrix means like investigate the reality of the person
investigate that which remains while the person changes
are you the same person investigate the impermanence
of the thing that you think is a person or just you know start describing the person
that usually works i've seen this if you ask the deluded student
simply to describe whatever he thinks is true you ask for a description
and because he has never done that lazy mind you see as soon as he starts describing in the
fakeness of the concepts it comes out that which is created by the mind will
will be spoken and the guru can catch him look this thing that you are saying is an
experience it is not a person so on i'm just giving you some quick
examples or if you if you say sir i see the world i see the objects
then the guru may ask you to describe what do you see i see a chair i see a bed a table
my glasses and the guru can now ask you to describe describe the
chair it is red it is of this shape it is so and so
made up of so and so and and now the guru gets the opportunity to point out look they are just experiences made up
by the mind names and forms is there a chair or are there names and
forms now the logical ability of the student is of importance here
the student should be logically able to see that well my experience is of
names and forms not of chairs and tables that that names are added
by the mind yes it appeared like it was my direct experience but no the more direct
experiences of the names and forms you can go ahead and you know conclude
by questioning you can describe the for names and forms names will
ultimately be seen as mental constructs they are names that is very obvious
the forms are also seen as mental constructs an outcome of the hardware of the mind
the body the senses the way the senses function where the body functions the way the brain
organizes information so now the guru can say is there of this form or is there something which appears
in this form now you see for the first time in your life you will see the emptiness
this is the direct experience what you thought was your diet experience was a mental
construct it was an assumption you you said it was my direct experience but it was not your direct experience
do you see what i mean yes the direct experience will provide you the truth but you need to be very careful you need
to interpret that that experience you should have the capability
to interpret the experience otherwise you'll end up seeing the mirage as water and goes nowhere isn't
it your mind will call anything as your direct experience and here the skill of the guru is needed
you see guru is needed you cannot escape the guru that's why he's placed at the third
place as a means of arriving at knowledge what kind of
knowledge the true knowledge the truth so if you do not ask your guru that sir
this is my direct experience please evaluate this if you do not say if you do not ask
the guru will simply assume that you get got it and the guru will do his own you know
business will busy with other students you will go home happy but finally i got
my direct experience i have i am the self now i'm not the brahmana
that is too quick all these teachings they they exist for
a specific purpose you see when i say you are in charge of your destiny choose
that which leads you to greater and greater happiness and freedom wow
what a great teaching you see probably i deserve a slap on my face for saying this
it is complete garbage there is no you there is no destiny nobody is in charge nobody can choose
anything the happiness freedom they are all illusions but what do i say i say this as if it is
true why do i do that you see when you are in a complete
when you are completely immersed in the gutter you need to climb at least one step out of that
you need to poke your head out of the manhole at least
and these teachings are designed to do that they are not true only your direct experience is the truth
you will say no but you are right my friend you have showed me the way you
have given me the path of happiness and freedom this is my direct experience when i
choose such a subjections i get more happiness and more freedom and yes and that is the purpose of my
life now it looks like that it is your direct experience isn't it there is someone who is choosing someone
who is looking for happiness and freedom and is getting it
because of the recommended method but it's too quick too soon
you did not check the teaching you did not question it and
there is a little bit of twist here because if you question it too soon
probably you will never know what it is like to be happy and free the guru has told you these things so
that you can experience it first once you experienced it you're a little bit above the manhole and now
you can pull out of it step by step that's why i said in this country
many of the indirect teachings where sugar coated
the bitter pills they are coated with colorful candies
and people like them have you noticed nobody likes the direct teachings of zen
or bahayan buddhism there's nobody the world is the misery
the it is emptiness it's all mind nobody likes these things
the nirvana is complete disappearance and
people prefer something else and that's why the advaith was invented
you are the self you are the brahmana as soon as i say well
it gives you a very a good warm fuzzy feeling oh i am everything now
i always thought i'm just this little little person this this you know pile of organic matter
running around after this or that now it feels great
instantly like it people like that way teaching everybody is a
fan of i am the self alhambrasam the great one that i am
have you experienced that or you accept it just because it
sounds so nice can there be a bigger ego inflation than this where the ego assumes that it is
everything it is the biggest it is the greatest but the guru will do that this is highly
recommended on the advaith path non-dual
that the student must be taken through the steps of self and brahman
and sometimes the final step you know of there being nothing
is eliminated you never hear this thing in in the
other that is generally accepted which is of shankaracharya and company
you will know this even deeper thing the final step when you read
and masters like abdut in abdul gita he will also say that
you are the self but while describing what is self he will actually
destroy the cells completely it is done in a non-threatening manner in form of
beautiful poetry so that you don't you know get
terrified of what he's saying and like
[Music] who simply cut off your head isn't it
so who is the proper receiver of the evidence obviously the
student who wants to know the guru needs no evidence who can give you the evidence
not the guru you yourself get your own evidence
i keep repeating all the time why do we demand evidence from others
so great question isn't it again you can dig the answer to it and i found
it this is also conditioning this also some kind of stupid behavior that we are
taught somebody says you stole the cookies from the cookie jar
what do i say you don't have any evidence for that show me the evidence that i did that
you're accusing me of being a thief show me the evidence where do we get this kind of behavior
from from the society from our own brothers sisters and friends and parents siblings
because we found them doing this kind of thing take a look at the innocent child you
know infant never demands evidence never demands evidence he is still pure
if you if you accuse him of something you can experiment like this did you steal this did you break this
thing you break this toy and he will just stand there in pure amusement
shocked how can you how can he say that because the mind is you see
confronting the reality and the accusation now comparing it
and and the child has no way to answer anything he will say no at most
child is defenseless later on we learn now you are saying this what is the
evidence my pc is very fast and i can run this in that program show me show me the
evidence i don't believe you so this code room mentality people they use in satsang also
and unfortunately this is just another conditioning show me the evidence
men if your own experience is the source of knowledge
what uh where are you going to get the evidence if not in your own experience tell me
how foolish it is to ask for an evidence and that too from a guru
never do that you can say it in other words you can say like this sir i tried to find the
evidence i could not find it please guide me that is the proper way oh you told me about the past lives now
show me the evidence and get your own evidence man you are a seeker or a beggar
are you begging for knowledge you are begging for evidences and what if the evidence is produced
on what basis are you going to accept the evidence are you self-appointed judge of the
court of reality what kind of seeker is that demanding evidence and i reserve the
right to accept or reject the evidence that you provide to me now this is the stupidity of the highest
kind and you can now recall the so many hundreds of your experiences where you
said something and people demanded an evidence i don't blame you if you
actually went ahead and tried to provide an evidence because you are so innocent you don't
know all these things you don't know that evidence is a social programming
nothing can be proven it is not possible to prove anything at
all if you don't believe me i give you this homework
do your own experiment get your own evidence
to see that nothing can be proven because totally depends on the
whim of the person who is asking evidence to accept your evidence
you cannot force anybody to accept your evidence those who don't want to
experience those who don't want to experiment for themselves they are not going to accept any
evidence so if you are demanding the evidence for a spiritual truth or something like that
you are a fool but if you are trying to provide the evidence you are a bigger fool
no i'm not saying that the person who is demanding the evidence will be
kind of a hardcore skeptic who has made up his mind and now he is simply you see playing the word game
just to win the debate you see that this proof this approved that give me the evidence these kind of
statements they happen only when you are in a debate or in an argument which is
by itself a very bad situation what are you doing in an argument whom with whom are you debating
in this spiritual field this is not a courtroom it is not a matter of who is right who
is wrong if you think it is like this that i am the right and i must prove it to everyone
then you are already lost you are not on the right path you are lost in the social conditioning
my friend get out of there the job of a seeker is to look for knowledge to get his own
evidence and the job of seeker is to guide others to get their own
evidence not to provide them with an evidence yes that's what i was saying that
sometimes this only matter of language the person is sincerely asking you
that i don't know what you are saying i i have no idea
and just to express this thing this confusion of theirs
they sometimes say okay give me the evidence so you will need to see it like this
sometimes they are very sincere they are innocently asking but they are
using the wrong language instead of saying please guide me to see it myself the demand evidence because that is what
is their mentality that is what the conditioning is like everywhere they go they ask for an
evidence they come to the spiritual settings then they demand evidence of everything here
also because you see it looks like the guru is speaking in air airy fairy talk
where is the evidence of what you said they will hit the table
with their fist like this show me the evidence so sometimes you will need to make a
concession here and take it as a request to show that
the experience show i had experience and here it is your duty to guide that fellow to
get his or her own evidence if you try to provide something
objective some logical mumbo jumbo
then there is a 50 50 chance that it will be effective and as i said the mind is
kind of garbage bin already it will reject it will reject the best evidence that
you can give that is why the skeptic will remain a skeptic you cannot convert them you can convert
only an open-minded rational person not a close-minded skeptic
how to convert not by preaching by guiding towards proper
evidence what is the proper evidence my own experience
their own experience can you provide somebody with an experience
impossible experience is subjective they need to get it themselves
all you can do is point them provide the pointers
give them all the tricks see you are saying something which must be based on your own direct
experience and you must have arrived at that truth by some way
you must have found a way to experience it you will need to convey the same
method to the person demanding the evidence there is no other way can't you see
it's all waste of time it's all argument more heat than light
shine the light that's all that's all we can do so to all those people who want their
evidence get your evidence a seeker does not demand an evidence
seeker asks for a way to obtain his own evidence
look at it like this that a seeker is like a spy a private
detective and a skeptic is just like a judge
he is arbitrating you see arbitrary he can accept the evidence or he can
reject the evidence he he does not worry about actual experience he does not even
go on the crime scene simply hears and his only job is to give a judgment
there are many people like this whose job is to judge or he is telling the truth he is telling the false they are
on the position of the judge a seeker is like a detective he goes and finds the evidence
now unlike the detective you're not responsible towards the judge
you if you can say to the judge that i have found whatever you know who
whoever is the criminal whoever is the murderer it's not my job to tell you
you go and get your own evidence you can say like this so you will find many gurus do that
they get irritated when you demand an evidence and many will tell you many will
actually out of their compassion will try to give you some kind of evidence i have some kind of logical argument
here and there but many most of them will simply kick you out go and get your own evidence i
did that for myself seek you are seeker it means that you seek
seekers do not demand an evidence does it say in the vedas that the fifth
means of knowledge is evidence provided by the others does it say it and anywhere
there is a good reason that it's not included what constitutes an evidence
can you tell me isn't it totally subjective isn't it arbitrary
for some people this much evidence is okay for some no they demand more evidence
you must have seen all those people demanding evidence where
only direct experience is of any use the evidence no matter in which form it is produced
is useless it can always be proven wrong what cannot be proven wrong is your own
evidence if you see it with your own eyes no evidence is needed
a seeker goes and sees looks checks does not demand
some kind of arbitrary made up evidence nothing can be proven
look at it in very deeply seeking is a subjective
matter your path is your own personal business
nobody can prove anything to you you cannot prove anything to anyone you
are not obliged to prove anything because of these reasons that i said
it is it does not work what works is pointing and if the person who is
demanding the evidence is interested is really seeker material
he will go and look for his own evidence that is guaranteed if the person is just
you know messing around goofing around and wants to win a debate wants to show i'm the smart one you are
the fool and they are not going to do the effort that is also guaranteed
many times it happens that people ask me a question and i send them on quest okay investigate this for one week
come back and tell me what you find they never appear they never come back there can be two
reasons that they found something and that they don't feel any need to
you see approach me again or they never try
a lazy mind is not going to seek a lazy mind not going to find their own evidence
lazy mind is in a courtroom ashram is not a courtroom
don't make your mind into a courtroom don't go for evidence go for experience
the direct experience there is no other way to know [Music]
pure experiences
[Music]
you were listening to pure experiences by thurun pradhan
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