Devi and Kundalini, Advaitins and Guru Worship

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hello and welcome to pure experiences

online satsang this satsang is a meeting

an opportunity for everyone to ask their

questions

clear their doubts and discuss the

spiritual matters and this is also a

part of the program the path of

knowledge program

ruchika is asking out of syllabus

questions yes

you're welcome

first is how can you understand devi

shakti what is the real idea how can we

accelerate your spiritual progress by

taking her grace

see on the path of knowledge whatever is

appearing is devi the illusion is devi

the

experience

part is they whatever we call as

experience

is devi and

the memory is devi the layered structure

is devi the vibrations the

the manifested

unmanifested devi maya is devi yes

so how to know what is she open your

eyes and look that is darshan of the

devi

open your eyes and look whatever you're

looking at is nothing but devi

whatever you're listening to eating

smelling bodies worlds baby you don't

need to go to a temple or you don't need

to project to some other world of the

baby to know what she is she is here

right now front of your eyes this is the

real idea

yes you can make it image of her you can

you know identify various kinds of

energies there shakti means only energy

baby means energy

you can

classify them and make pretty pictures

and symbolism and all that is possible

but

unnecessary that is unnecessary

just

study the illusion when we study the

illusion we are studying the device you

want her grace yes it is possible there

are ways

to do that there is one very simple way

is to be surrendered that is the path of

devotion

have devotion towards devi surrender to

the

second is the path of the tantra or the

occult where you take favors from the

devil for that you need a lot of

knowledge and practice

surrender needs nothing so

according to your

inclination according to your wish

you approach the baby like this if you

are a woman except devi

i mean if you are a woman and you take

the occult path

accept devi as your mother if you are a

man you can accept the devi as your wife

that is there are two forms that are

mostly accepted

do not try to diverge too much from the

tradition does not work

you need a good teacher and the teacher

will tell you how to worship the devi

there are rituals and also on you see

but mostly it is non-physical mostly

your practice will be non-physical

because you will understand that the

devi does not like to be troubled in the

physical form she becomes angry when you

try to manipulate the physical world

because she has taken the pains to

establish the physical world it is

the

her her greatest achievement is

formation of the physical universe that

is what she has done now if you want to

interact with her you know leave the

physical world alone that is my

recommendation do not manipulate

anything here you just worship her and

go to her go to her in the purest form

that is the non-physical form there

everything that you want will be granted

and like she said uh how to

accelerate our spiritual progress

yes demand that you you uh please the

devi and you demand her the spiritual

growth spiritual progress she will do

whatever is necessary to cause this

progress

if you

anger her she will do whatever is

necessary to keep you from progressing

she will actually your progress

and send you back in the lower

lower forms like he said is it possible

yes you anger the devi and she will do

it you see you get all these powers and

all by the grace of devi now you start

misusing them in the physical world

she will senses sense it immediately and

you will be sent to the lower worlds you

know she won't even

recycle you to the animal forms she will

take the extreme measure and you will be

sent to the hellish worlds okay go and

do your sadhana there

she is kind of brutal in that matter

kali form is really brutal so if you you

don't have a teacher then you will make

these mistakes

and if you have a teacher there is some

chance that you will

you will be given the grace of the devi

so on the path of knowledge we have a

middle man i'm telling ruchika on the

path of knowledge we have a middleman

where you don't need to deal with the

devi directly and that middle man is the

guru field

you can request guru field to ask devi

to do something the command they you can

say they are not command but they have a

deal with devi then we won't do this

thing to your worlds but you do

something for our seekers this kind of

deal is there

your interface with the guru field is

initially your guru so ask your guru if

you want spiritual progress

ask your guru he will do whatever is

necessary once you grow up a little bit

as the guru field bypass the guru who is

in the body you see

i simply ask the guru field nowadays

like i said you know there is a guru

control room here and there is a

direct link to the satellite link to the

guru field i ask whatever i need from

them and they do the processing there it

appears in the world many people will

see this many people will get this

experience that as soon as they interact

with me as soon as the wish is put there

for their progress

they will start appearing in their lives

which means events will start happening

very odd event sometimes

and this is the process that we follow

once you grow up you interact directly

with the

guru field

and you if you grow up in that also you

know you become a great seeker then you

can approach the devi in which i help

also i help you to simply you know

i bring you face to face with the devi

but not everybody you need to go through

the path of knowledge first you see

there are a lot of secrets in between

which nobody will come to know

i can see your tendencies and i can tell

you that you know what happened in your

past lives and all and then i decide

what should we do

so

interact with me open up give everything

that you have to me then i'll come to

know what to do with you do not try to

you know simply worship devi in the

mother form or five form do not you will

fail and you will make mistakes

always the best idea is always to take

the help of your guru and if the guru

says i belong to this path of knowledge

and something i cannot do anything then

you take the permission from

your guru

and you

consult somebody who is on the local

path especially the independent kind of

tantra not the dependent kind that is

not suitable for somebody on the path of

knowledge so probably

it was too much out of syllabus isn't it

probably many people will not understand

what i just said

so don't worry don't worry your path of

knowledge is open for you you walk on

the path of knowledge

and we'll see what should we do later on

get the basics we'll see what can be

done later on

right now you concentrate on the path of

knowledge that is my advice

okay number two is why kundalini

awakening experience is a completely

different for one person to another

sometimes it gets really confusing is it

real or just made up and hyped up

see

the layered structure is different for

the other

different people the reason is very

simple that everybody is different so

they produce different reactions there

the same process will produce different

reaction you see it is

not at all mysterious like

you

treat somebody badly and you will find

that everybody has a different reaction

you say the same insult to 10 people and

you will get 10 reactions from them

some one person will walk away the other

person will try to kill you the the

third person will start crying fourth

will become angry you see why they have

a different mental makeup they have

different impressions everybody is

different

essentially they are same but you know

the manifestation is different there are

layers there is a layered structure in

everybody

but

it has stored different kind of

experiences you see

so

you

give the same food to all people and

you'll see their bodies are reacting

differently to that food everybody has

their own food and similarly the doctors

know that

the same medicine will have different

effects in different patients they know

it very well so why not kundalini

that is

completely related with the layered

structure of memory

what is kundalini it is you know just a

force that makes the changes in the

layered structure that's all it is it is

the devi as it is manifesting in the

layered structure so there are certain

points where she does the most work

they are called the chakra points we are

not going to go there today and that is

totally different for different people

and she does exactly that which is

needed and you know one side size is not

going to fit all so she does exactly

that

sometimes you will be surprised at how

much this force knows about your mind

and body so what do we say

when she is working surrender surrender

just sit down and watch don't try to do

too much

so is it made up and hyped up

and there are different kind of people

you see some people keep it very very

secret like they don't want anybody to

interfere in this process and the guru

also tells you not to tell anybody that

is people are

kind of crazy they don't know what is

happening and

there is a me too syndrome like i call

it me too syndrome in the spirituality

if it is happening to somebody else it

must happen to me also

the expectation rises hopes rises like

this he saw a snake i did not see a

snake i should go and hunt for a snake

my life is not complete if i don't see a

snake

so

crazy people here and they

make up these things they make up the

stories a tiny bit happens to them and

they cook up spice it up imagine things

so if you are not under a guru you will

find people talking like this this

happened to me that happened to me and

so on you see they became in my dream

when she did this and it's all

just useless talk those who are really

serious about the content practice they

don't say even one word they don't say

it

because you know the nature of the devi

she likes privacy she likes secrecy if

you make a story in you know tell it to

everybody and become the gopi krishna of

the modern time no no no no no she will

become angry

who should know what is she doing you

and your guru nobody else not your

family nobody nobody so yes

when i see this kind of disaster

happening i can only slap my head only

you see because these people don't

listen to me also you have a guru no i'm

doing the kundalini practice and she is

doing that why are you telling me then

i'm not your guru also so

very bad situation there

which she's asking kundalini awakening

you see it is already awakened what you

call kundalini awakening is

only kundalini quickening quickening she

becomes quicker she lives faster and

you know it is awake in everybody devi

is present and she's active without

activity we'll be all dead

asakta is saying most of today's famous

non-duality direct path teachers are of

the lineage of trinity

raman maharshi

maharaja and athman krishna menon all

three were religious mocks the holy ash

traditional abductions always worship

deities also in other non-dual

traditions like said they all had

devotion to the gurus if not a deity

lit lamp

could you explain does it mean devotion

bhakti in some form is essential

well

human nature is the explanation human

nature and i don't think that they have

only three lineages there are many you

see the dashnami tradition is the

biggest in the world

whenever you see swami written in front

of somebody's name that is dash nami

tradition founded by adishan karachary

that is the greatest biggest and they

don't

they don't you know relate to raman

maharshi or anybody you mentioned you

see they are the keepers of the non-dual

knowledge swami tradition you can call

them swami tradition if you want there

are ten kinds

they have a surname in front of them by

that surname you can recognize the which

one of the ten paths they are

groups they are in the path is same

groups are different

so traditions were made and to identify

that their own tradition like the

cricket teams you know one team is blue

and the other team is the green and the

other team is red

so they made the teams and they have

this

markings and

you are going to wear the orange clothes

and these people they will be black

clothes and these monks they will be

maroon and yellow so they have their own

traditions and that is

just to

have this team spirit in them maybe and

these

marks you call them religious marx

nothing to do with religion

nothing to do with religion they are

ritualistic

in india we don't have any religion

there is no religion here there is no

god here there is no worship here there

are only paths

only different paths

most of the paths are atheistic

so

whatever they are doing they are doing

it for a purpose not to please some god

or goddess they are worshipping deities

yes that is also part of the tradition

that i recommend

you know there are some people can't let

go of the old oh i have this temple in

my house and i worship all these deities

and i i want to worship i feel very nice

i say okay okay worship you know nothing

wrong in that realize that it is an

illusion and worship the illusion you

know who is stopping you but then i say

okay okay put

the photo of a traditional guru there

whomever you like or put picture of him

and put a picture of or a statue of

saraswati there i recommend saraswati

worship her she is going to help you

so

no problem at all they are symbolic in

nature so it depends on the tradition

you know whom they worship we worship

saraswati if you want to worship

otherwise don't even pay attention to

these things it's totally unnecessary

what is worship on the path of knowledge

you just say thank you that is the

worship you just ask for the cooperation

support you say thank you

do not ask for gold or

jobs or children or marriages do not

saraswati won't give you all these

things

there are different forms for if you

want worldly if you want to fulfill your

worldly desires

you have spiritual desires yes then

these deities can help you and mostly it

is the master

who is worshipped like you said devotion

to the guru yes because master is your

life jacket here in this sea of

ignorance the only boat that you have

that will take you to the shore is your

guru now i'm totally against worship of

the guru

that somebody called me holy master and

i was kind of

thrown off completely so

no we need not worship the guru we need

to use the guru and then you have some

respect for the guru that is all

do not print out the photo of the guru

and you know start putting the incense

in front of them and uh don't don't

don't do that it is not recommended

those who are who are doing it they are

lost they are lost now you can worship

the devi this

it seems natural you are washing

worshipping somebody who has a human

body that feels unnatural

what happens is

the fake ones they like it a lot the

fake gurus like this guru worship a lot

and they will make their devotees or

students worship themselves that is why

i am totally against it

if your guru is alive

no no need to even give him anything

that is strictly followed in some

traditions like sikh tradition where the

guru in the body is totally stupid

discarded completely i don't know how

they manage them so

these things happen because of the

craziness of people it is not a part of

the tradition we do not worship gurus

as soon as

you say you call me more than guruji or

something i'm going to you know ban you

from the satsang i'm totally against

this thing you know it has been misused

so much in india the guru worship is

misused so much that there are cults now

there are terrorist groups in the name

of gurus and who knows what is going on

so does it does the devotion bhakti is

essential no you see surrender is

essential you need to be surrendered to

the knowledge you should have this

willingness to listen that is the only

devotion that is expected do not treat

your guru like a god you know i mean he

he's important but

should be

there should be line between

these things here you should should draw

a line it should not cross that line it

was a nice satsang and i hope everybody

enjoyed it everybody got their answers

and

hopefully you are enjoying the program

also and i'll meet you next time thank

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