Dealing With Worldly People - Get your work done

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how to act in the society in this world so acting in the world is mostly acting

in the society and human life is about relating with people

we are social animals so it is very difficult for an individual

to survive alone even if you are a kind of renunciate

or sadhu or something you will need to go back to the village

to get a little bit of oil or spices salt

something or the other this is not totally useless for a seeker this question

because most of us are seekers while being a part of the society most of us

have not left the society even though some of us have minimized

our interactions only those which are most needed only those

interactions we are engaging in otherwise we are with our own practice

or our own books or videos or whatever

so this question what are the ways of getting something done

is still really relevant for a seeker we are not free from

the need to interact with the society there are lot many teachings that are

circling in your mind right now like i need to interact with everybody

with love only love and compassion you see that is the standard teaching

how should i behave with others and one very solid canned answer is

with love and compassion there is no other way to behave and then there must be some

more deep kind of people in the spiritual fields who will say minimize the karmic

load when you interact with somebody and that is highly technical thing to discuss

so what should be my action so that the action is rendered

fruitless how should i act that is a very big subject i told you

this this questions this question sounds so innocent it's a

childish question but we can we can take it very very deep from a spiritual point of view

and there will be some more kind of up in the air kind of seekers who will say

well nothing is happening so i don't do anything anyway so whatever must happen will happen and i

should not even think about how to get things done there is no doer nobody to do

and you know blah blah blah so depending on the kind of seeker

there will be an answer and i have found something very funny that

none of these answers will get the work done

that is the problem with these answers they sound so nice on book on paper

totally useless when you are operating in the maya remember the spiritual principles the

truths they are totally useless in maya it is like you know all the rules of the cricket

and you try to apply them in football is it going to work no

in maya act with maya play the game so

i i mean i'm not ashamed of saying that i also answer in the same way that these

answers you see love and compassion you know what else am i going to say

you see this is the politically correct answer but today since this is our chit chat this is our sunday q a

and i usually drift away from the standard teaching today also

i was thinking about these things because recently i had to get few things done

and none of the spiritual teaching proved useful and then

the mind falls back into habit then i tried to get it done using

the old habits so you know that's pretty produces a lot of suffering

interacting with people is because of suffering for a seeker

why is that because ignorance once you have gotten out of ignorance

even a little bit the ignorant person is going to become

a pain he is going to be very very irritating

so many of you must have had this kind of experience

that you were one of them and life was cool it was it was okay you see

but as soon as you got out of this gutter of ignorance

now you cannot look back there you don't want to go there back you don't want

to do anything with the world anything with the people especially people who are ignorant by

ignorant i don't mean those who don't have any knowledge of vedas shastras

philosophy no not that kind of ignorant ignorance is very deep ignorance is very

basic ignorance is not knowing what i am that's all and every kind of ignorance then stems

out of it that is the root and then the whole tree of ignorance sprouts of it so you can see this ignorance in the

behavior of people and society is nothing but a collection of people on

which unfortunately i am dependent as a human being

as this body mind this illusory structure now what

so this is the problem your all spiritual teaching will be left

without any use forget about compassion and love

forget about enlightening people and getting your work done no they are not interested you see

and i'm not saying that don't be compassionate i'm not saying don't try to educate people no no and that is

not the point the point is even if you tried that your your task may or may not get done

you may not get through the society human life is essentially interaction

with the society look at it like this hardly we cannot live alone it is kind

of very risky you will die simply in a week and you cannot be totally engaged in the

society you will become crazy like them so you must

be in the world while living out of the world chanak

gives us a hint here how to get it done and many of you know this

sutra this formula it's in sanskrit it's called and

i'm going to attempt english translation and it will be my translation you see so means cooperation

means transaction barter then the means punishment

and means deceit so many some people are going to translate it a

little bit differently but these are the translations that i arrived at so these four

methods will get your work done nothing else nothing else i mean you can try you can

experiment cooperation is the best you can be compassionate you can be

loving you can be forgiving if the other person the one you are dealing with

is cooperative this is the ideal case isn't it the win-win case very

like a dream come true that oh i'm ready to cooperate

i'll do whatever you want sir and okay it is done and he won't even ask for money

so see the money part is the second one it is transaction water so i'm not talking

about cooperation with money i'm talking about somebody who wants to simply help

you to get your work done that's all so it is so rare

it is like gold you see very very rare even your relatives are not going to do

anything for you remember without getting something in return no not at all

you can you see get a little bit of examples of the sam or cooperation or love

the work done or the help that comes out of love

in very intimate relations just like mother and

child father and son and husband and wife and lovers and so

on you see there will be one there will one person or not even one sometimes

who will be who will cooperate with you who will do something for you

with his or her will because it makes them happy you see it is very very rare and that

also will happen once in a while once in a 10 times once and 20 times

otherwise they are normal they are ordinary when you are in society when you are in

especially in troublesome situations when everything is going wrong then especially you will find that

nobody corporates nobody so what should a seeker do because this ideal is really ideal it looks good only

on paper you see it will happen i'm not saying there are no no such people left in the world

who will not do anything for you while love i'm not saying that there are

and very very rare so the second is means a transaction barter payment money

or doing something in return give and take now my practical experience is

only this one works for me if your friend thinks that you can be

useful he will help you if the thing that you are useless they will ignore you

and in relation also as long as the happiness is coming from the other

well yes i'll do something for you and no you are not doing what i'm saying okay

bye bye so all the relations are barter relations in human society

some people will say no my father is not you know like this my mother is very very selfless and also that they come in

the first category then they come in the cooperative people there will be one or two i'm not saying

it's it's not that bad you see society is not all bad a majority of it is

what i'm going to describe now and this will get work done mostly through

strangers and people you don't know and just good people good social people

they will do something if they are paid well if you are useful for them

if they think that you can be useful for them and

there are some very interesting cases a beautiful woman can get the things done you see

even though the other person does not get anything but you see there is a psychological

factor here we are evolved like this there is a hope in the heart of that man that someday

probably he will be able to impress that woman and so he goes and does the thing it is

not cooperation it is not love it is not compassion forget about this there is an

intention there it looks like love it's not it is transaction

he's trying to secure a mate and the behavior is automatic you see by ignorance i mean only that automatic

action pre-programmed conditioned without awareness without intelligence

that is the ignorance now you can you can see 99.99

people will be doing their actions like this they're in your interactions will be like this it

does not matter if you are enlightened it does not matter you are just you know walked in to this planet earth from

heaven you are going to face the music so there is the third formula now

then which is punishment now they are not cooperative no love

they are not going to do your job even you are paid even if you have paid now

or they are not interested in your money they don't want to deal with you but you have this important work now so

the china case saying that employee punishment actually he has written this these

things for a king instruction manual for kings so but i found it very very useful you said that

i'm discussing this and this is very entertaining also so i don't recommend this for seekers it

is recommended for powerful people remember he is telling this to a king

for a seeker you may be able to use this once in a while like your child is not behaving

you know punish the child this is how you get the things done or you have

paid some merchant some shopkeeper he's not delivering you goods or he has given you

something you see something which is fake which is a duplicate which

does not work the parcel came empty now you can threaten with punishment

you will you can say that i am going to go to police and in your mind you're saying well that

is a punishment for myself and not for him so something like this you see you brought

a property and then it is not proper then you you say i'll go to court and so

on you see that is punishment and it works

only when everything else fails only when there is a fear in the other

you will need to sense this first is he going to be afraid or is he going to come and kill me you see don't use

punishment on somebody who is stronger than you so he i don't know what chanuk said

about this i mean this is the precaution that you must take do not use punishment on each and everybody

they are not going to like it but when desperate time comes

you can pretend that you are very very angry and you are going to take a very strong action which is going to be

a problem for the other so the last one is deceit

and this is not recommended at all you see it is not recommended

because it does sometimes get things done but the fruits are very very bad

it will stick to you first there will be a feeling of guilt in your mind that

i did something wrong i lied i got this work done through lies or

i blackmailed somebody or something like this you see diplomatic

things and i benefited somebody got you know i caused harm somebody

i caused loss to somebody else and this from the seeker's point of view is the lowest kind of trick that you can

use and very rarely you may need to use it sometimes there are

consequences of doing that so in an order of

consequences the bad consequences you can say they are arranged these four things these four tricks are arranged so

cooperation no consequences there are no consequences of cooperation because somebody has done something for you

without you asking it so for you there's nothing no consequence your work is done

and the barter transaction has very little consequences you can you

can see that there is a cancellation of actions somebody did something for you you paid

money or did something else paying money is nothing but you know doing returning the favor that's all it

is karma will cancel out as soon as you are paid and i say pay a little bit more than

they deserve so that their account is heavier than yours now

very little consequences there but still there are a little bit and then

punishment as you can guess there can be consequences if the punishment is just and fair then

probably you can get away with it but since this is a violent method

there is violence in speech there is violence in thought and sometimes you will need to do

real violence physical violence so you're causing harm to somebody even though

you can say it is justified because he was not doing that which i wanted but

that's not the proper justification so it will have

consequences a lot of consequences and dc8 this is very dangerous

does look like there is no consequence for me i lied got the work done got whatever i

wanted and now i'm free but no the the impression has been made

on the mind the programming has happened the conditioning has happened next time

you're going to lie twice next time ten times the lies cannot be hidden long and the

consequences start coming and to cover them up people lie even to hide their lives

and under the word deceit many many things come like knowingly doing harm and calling it

a service something like this you see like you go to somebody and pretend that

you are somebody else and get your work done and that is also deceived that is also bad

so you can go and say that i am such and such person i am son of this and better

do my work and they will do it but you see it's it's kind of

very lowly act and this will stick this will have consequences

throughout lifetime after many many lives something will pop out in your life that is why you see

these yogi's and all they are very very cautious very attentive very aware when

they are doing something what are they trying to calculate there what will get return in my account

whether whether this is going to free me or whether this is going to bind me when will it come out in what lifetime

so they are calculating things like this so in this order of consequence

of the magnitude of harm that it can our actions can cause to ourselves

these four tricks are rated you see so for a seeker never do

that deceit this is even if your work is very very important let it go don't do it because you are

going to get some some short-term benefit from getting your work done

getting whatever you are after but very long term consequences very bad consequences for you you can think about

it you can meditate and respect about it why i'm saying that and then

or the punishment we should very rarely see

once or twice in a lifetime and most of it should be empty punishment like a threat

very oral kind of thing that is also an action that will also cause

consequences something can go wrong try to punish a wrong guy and it can go very bad after

that so do not get into fights now transaction it proved

very very useful at least for me because you are not surrounded by angels you are not surrounded by

saints in this world very few people are going to cooperate with you nobody does anything for anybody here we

are as a seeker as an ordinary person left with only this

one mode of operation in the society that is transaction remember if somebody does something for

you out of love you will need to actually return the favor you will need to become double loving

you will need to become more compassionate you cannot simply say okay everybody

serve me because you love me no that is that is you know

it is like deceit it's worse than deceit actually so there are many people like this

and try to get favor favors from others because you're somebody people like you

or something and you do not return it so you see even the cooperation

there is a word cooperation so my duty is to return

that is also a transaction but that is a transaction of a higher kind somebody did something for you

because of their compassion now it is your turn to be compassionate now the other person is not going to

accept anything you know not money nothing anything and now you should not

pursue it you should not force that person it will become kind of punishment or something for that

you need to be careful somebody says no i don't want anything from you i just did it because this is my nature you

should let go that person don't try to burden him with your action may not like

it all we can do is become compassionate help somebody else

you see you are all my forms if a helps me

i help b it is you know full circle now there is nobody else

to return favor to there is only me so do not try to you know harass that person

no you did something good for me now you must come to my house and have dinner with me and that fellow will

feel odd or maybe may feel bad you know extra work now i

usually do the same thing i let go of them because that is the highest kind of compassion that is the unconditional

love you don't do anything for anybody that is the highest kind of love

but if somebody has done something it's it's you know return it it will very very rare but i'm just

giving you my opinion here how how to behave like this and first priority for us for seekers is

to cooperate always that is that should be the first priority it does not matter if somebody if the other people

if the other whether it's your relative your friend your office colleague your

you know shopkeeper whatever it doesn't matter our first priority and

including your enemies if you have enemies something is really really wrong

if you hate something somebody some community some country some class some caste

if there is hate in your mind something is really wrong you see then these teachings are useless

for you first you you'll need to purify the mind and then these things are going to make

some sense but you are already doing your purification and now you want to know

how to act and that is that's what i'm saying first priority cooperation you do something for for

others just because it is your nature just because you see them as my own self

now you need to be very careful you see somebody comes to you and says let's rob the bank let's kill this person you see

let's go and bomb this country uh you will need to think about it whether cooperation

or not should i cooperate here or not you see greater good not the tiny good

bigger good so it's it shouldn't be blind cooperation and the cooperation should not be out of

attachment it should be out of love if your wife or your

child says i want and this many this much money

i want to buy something expensive and then if you are attached you will spend that money

if you are not attached if you are loving then you will probably not pay you will probably not

give it and they will say oh you're not cooperative you you are a seeker but you behave something else so you just ignore

what they're saying because you see they are using deceit to get the work done from you once you know

that how to use these things you will start recognizing these same

modes of behavior in others how they try to get things out of you

how they try to get their work done out of you how they use you and they will use

the same four methods there's nothing else actually and you can judge the character of the

person by simply observing what they use so the lowliest kind of person is going to use

deceit a little one step higher is going to use force if the punishment is force

and a little bit reasonable person will barter transit will do transaction give

me this i'll give you that and the highest kind of person your highly evolved person will simply

corporate serve you so your behavior is now reflected there

actually this is my experience also if you are cooperative there is a very good chance that the other person will rise

to your level and will cooperate with you at least they will speak sweetly

but do not accept the favors if you do favors on somebody

do not accept it back because it will go in your account there will be a bond now so we don't want

bonds we are trying to end the bondage isn't it we're trying to break our ties with the world

so that's why i told you let go of the person who has served you let go of the person who has cooperated

with you do not burden him with your favor if he is a yogi he will not like it

so better ask if you are in doubt you should ask you have done this thing do you want

something how can i help you just formality and if they say no no i don't want

anything you just let go you see and same thing we should do in our case

do not try to i mean do not try to take the favor you have helped somebody

because it's your nature don't take the burden of their favor it's not recommended in the karmic from

the karmic point of view so you see i love i'm learning these things as i progress

because you see nobody teaches us these things can somebody recall if their teachers if their

parents if they're whatever have told you these things even your guru is not going to tell you these

things just like i said the guru has a very kind answer a pet answer be loving compassionate

actually that is the right answer but you see it does not work so

from the point of view of the seeker the first priority goes to cooperation the second goes to transaction which will

work and the third and fourth are not recommended punishment and

deceit use very very sparingly

never without any reason only when extremely needed

only then it's a matter of survival what wins survival or spiritual

knowledge what wins tell me from your experience i'll tell you my experience survival

always wins you will need to be kind of a big saint

to sacrifice your life for others that's why we remember them even after

thousands of years this is not going to happen for an ordinary seeker so survival wins

and these things the work and mostly transaction

works you be cooperative to others and you pay them back

through any means you see even if it's your friend he's not going to take money do something for them

and that will even out the balance so um that was a kind of

long answer about what are the possible ways of getting some things done

and if you become aware of your actions you will see that these four modes are being employed and then now you can with

full awareness prefer the best one that will purify the mind

and actually that will make your life very easy in the society that is my

experience you will be surrounded with the kind of people that you are

i mean your nature will be reflected in the others so if you are using deceit all the time

then you will be surrounded by that kind of people it is you can say law of attraction if you are using power you are using

force punishment you will find that kind of people will love you

you see you will gather enemies enemy enmity is nothing love isn't it i keep

thinking of you killing you so indifference is better

and i've seen that transaction works very nicely clears your account also

you will need to earn money or you will need to become useful for others for that

and cooperation yes that is the default action