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how to act in the society in this world so acting in the world is mostly acting
in the society and human life is about relating with people
we are social animals so it is very difficult for an individual
to survive alone even if you are a kind of renunciate
or sadhu or something you will need to go back to the village
to get a little bit of oil or spices salt
something or the other this is not totally useless for a seeker this question
because most of us are seekers while being a part of the society most of us
have not left the society even though some of us have minimized
our interactions only those which are most needed only those
interactions we are engaging in otherwise we are with our own practice
or our own books or videos or whatever
so this question what are the ways of getting something done
is still really relevant for a seeker we are not free from
the need to interact with the society there are lot many teachings that are
circling in your mind right now like i need to interact with everybody
with love only love and compassion you see that is the standard teaching
how should i behave with others and one very solid canned answer is
with love and compassion there is no other way to behave and then there must be some
more deep kind of people in the spiritual fields who will say minimize the karmic
load when you interact with somebody and that is highly technical thing to discuss
so what should be my action so that the action is rendered
fruitless how should i act that is a very big subject i told you
this this questions this question sounds so innocent it's a
childish question but we can we can take it very very deep from a spiritual point of view
and there will be some more kind of up in the air kind of seekers who will say
well nothing is happening so i don't do anything anyway so whatever must happen will happen and i
should not even think about how to get things done there is no doer nobody to do
and you know blah blah blah so depending on the kind of seeker
there will be an answer and i have found something very funny that
none of these answers will get the work done
that is the problem with these answers they sound so nice on book on paper
totally useless when you are operating in the maya remember the spiritual principles the
truths they are totally useless in maya it is like you know all the rules of the cricket
and you try to apply them in football is it going to work no
in maya act with maya play the game so
i i mean i'm not ashamed of saying that i also answer in the same way that these
answers you see love and compassion you know what else am i going to say
you see this is the politically correct answer but today since this is our chit chat this is our sunday q a
and i usually drift away from the standard teaching today also
i was thinking about these things because recently i had to get few things done
and none of the spiritual teaching proved useful and then
the mind falls back into habit then i tried to get it done using
the old habits so you know that's pretty produces a lot of suffering
interacting with people is because of suffering for a seeker
why is that because ignorance once you have gotten out of ignorance
even a little bit the ignorant person is going to become
a pain he is going to be very very irritating
so many of you must have had this kind of experience
that you were one of them and life was cool it was it was okay you see
but as soon as you got out of this gutter of ignorance
now you cannot look back there you don't want to go there back you don't want
to do anything with the world anything with the people especially people who are ignorant by
ignorant i don't mean those who don't have any knowledge of vedas shastras
philosophy no not that kind of ignorant ignorance is very deep ignorance is very
basic ignorance is not knowing what i am that's all and every kind of ignorance then stems
out of it that is the root and then the whole tree of ignorance sprouts of it so you can see this ignorance in the
behavior of people and society is nothing but a collection of people on
which unfortunately i am dependent as a human being
as this body mind this illusory structure now what
so this is the problem your all spiritual teaching will be left
without any use forget about compassion and love
forget about enlightening people and getting your work done no they are not interested you see
and i'm not saying that don't be compassionate i'm not saying don't try to educate people no no and that is
not the point the point is even if you tried that your your task may or may not get done
you may not get through the society human life is essentially interaction
with the society look at it like this hardly we cannot live alone it is kind
of very risky you will die simply in a week and you cannot be totally engaged in the
society you will become crazy like them so you must
be in the world while living out of the world chanak
gives us a hint here how to get it done and many of you know this
sutra this formula it's in sanskrit it's called and
i'm going to attempt english translation and it will be my translation you see so means cooperation
means transaction barter then the means punishment
and means deceit so many some people are going to translate it a
little bit differently but these are the translations that i arrived at so these four
methods will get your work done nothing else nothing else i mean you can try you can
experiment cooperation is the best you can be compassionate you can be
loving you can be forgiving if the other person the one you are dealing with
is cooperative this is the ideal case isn't it the win-win case very
like a dream come true that oh i'm ready to cooperate
i'll do whatever you want sir and okay it is done and he won't even ask for money
so see the money part is the second one it is transaction water so i'm not talking
about cooperation with money i'm talking about somebody who wants to simply help
you to get your work done that's all so it is so rare
it is like gold you see very very rare even your relatives are not going to do
anything for you remember without getting something in return no not at all
you can you see get a little bit of examples of the sam or cooperation or love
the work done or the help that comes out of love
in very intimate relations just like mother and
child father and son and husband and wife and lovers and so
on you see there will be one there will one person or not even one sometimes
who will be who will cooperate with you who will do something for you
with his or her will because it makes them happy you see it is very very rare and that
also will happen once in a while once in a 10 times once and 20 times
otherwise they are normal they are ordinary when you are in society when you are in
especially in troublesome situations when everything is going wrong then especially you will find that
nobody corporates nobody so what should a seeker do because this ideal is really ideal it looks good only
on paper you see it will happen i'm not saying there are no no such people left in the world
who will not do anything for you while love i'm not saying that there are
and very very rare so the second is means a transaction barter payment money
or doing something in return give and take now my practical experience is
only this one works for me if your friend thinks that you can be
useful he will help you if the thing that you are useless they will ignore you
and in relation also as long as the happiness is coming from the other
well yes i'll do something for you and no you are not doing what i'm saying okay
bye bye so all the relations are barter relations in human society
some people will say no my father is not you know like this my mother is very very selfless and also that they come in
the first category then they come in the cooperative people there will be one or two i'm not saying
it's it's not that bad you see society is not all bad a majority of it is
what i'm going to describe now and this will get work done mostly through
strangers and people you don't know and just good people good social people
they will do something if they are paid well if you are useful for them
if they think that you can be useful for them and
there are some very interesting cases a beautiful woman can get the things done you see
even though the other person does not get anything but you see there is a psychological
factor here we are evolved like this there is a hope in the heart of that man that someday
probably he will be able to impress that woman and so he goes and does the thing it is
not cooperation it is not love it is not compassion forget about this there is an
intention there it looks like love it's not it is transaction
he's trying to secure a mate and the behavior is automatic you see by ignorance i mean only that automatic
action pre-programmed conditioned without awareness without intelligence
that is the ignorance now you can you can see 99.99
people will be doing their actions like this they're in your interactions will be like this it
does not matter if you are enlightened it does not matter you are just you know walked in to this planet earth from
heaven you are going to face the music so there is the third formula now
then which is punishment now they are not cooperative no love
they are not going to do your job even you are paid even if you have paid now
or they are not interested in your money they don't want to deal with you but you have this important work now so
the china case saying that employee punishment actually he has written this these
things for a king instruction manual for kings so but i found it very very useful you said that
i'm discussing this and this is very entertaining also so i don't recommend this for seekers it
is recommended for powerful people remember he is telling this to a king
for a seeker you may be able to use this once in a while like your child is not behaving
you know punish the child this is how you get the things done or you have
paid some merchant some shopkeeper he's not delivering you goods or he has given you
something you see something which is fake which is a duplicate which
does not work the parcel came empty now you can threaten with punishment
you will you can say that i am going to go to police and in your mind you're saying well that
is a punishment for myself and not for him so something like this you see you brought
a property and then it is not proper then you you say i'll go to court and so
on you see that is punishment and it works
only when everything else fails only when there is a fear in the other
you will need to sense this first is he going to be afraid or is he going to come and kill me you see don't use
punishment on somebody who is stronger than you so he i don't know what chanuk said
about this i mean this is the precaution that you must take do not use punishment on each and everybody
they are not going to like it but when desperate time comes
you can pretend that you are very very angry and you are going to take a very strong action which is going to be
a problem for the other so the last one is deceit
and this is not recommended at all you see it is not recommended
because it does sometimes get things done but the fruits are very very bad
it will stick to you first there will be a feeling of guilt in your mind that
i did something wrong i lied i got this work done through lies or
i blackmailed somebody or something like this you see diplomatic
things and i benefited somebody got you know i caused harm somebody
i caused loss to somebody else and this from the seeker's point of view is the lowest kind of trick that you can
use and very rarely you may need to use it sometimes there are
consequences of doing that so in an order of
consequences the bad consequences you can say they are arranged these four things these four tricks are arranged so
cooperation no consequences there are no consequences of cooperation because somebody has done something for you
without you asking it so for you there's nothing no consequence your work is done
and the barter transaction has very little consequences you can you
can see that there is a cancellation of actions somebody did something for you you paid
money or did something else paying money is nothing but you know doing returning the favor that's all it
is karma will cancel out as soon as you are paid and i say pay a little bit more than
they deserve so that their account is heavier than yours now
very little consequences there but still there are a little bit and then
punishment as you can guess there can be consequences if the punishment is just and fair then
probably you can get away with it but since this is a violent method
there is violence in speech there is violence in thought and sometimes you will need to do
real violence physical violence so you're causing harm to somebody even though
you can say it is justified because he was not doing that which i wanted but
that's not the proper justification so it will have
consequences a lot of consequences and dc8 this is very dangerous
does look like there is no consequence for me i lied got the work done got whatever i
wanted and now i'm free but no the the impression has been made
on the mind the programming has happened the conditioning has happened next time
you're going to lie twice next time ten times the lies cannot be hidden long and the
consequences start coming and to cover them up people lie even to hide their lives
and under the word deceit many many things come like knowingly doing harm and calling it
a service something like this you see like you go to somebody and pretend that
you are somebody else and get your work done and that is also deceived that is also bad
so you can go and say that i am such and such person i am son of this and better
do my work and they will do it but you see it's it's kind of
very lowly act and this will stick this will have consequences
throughout lifetime after many many lives something will pop out in your life that is why you see
these yogi's and all they are very very cautious very attentive very aware when
they are doing something what are they trying to calculate there what will get return in my account
whether whether this is going to free me or whether this is going to bind me when will it come out in what lifetime
so they are calculating things like this so in this order of consequence
of the magnitude of harm that it can our actions can cause to ourselves
these four tricks are rated you see so for a seeker never do
that deceit this is even if your work is very very important let it go don't do it because you are
going to get some some short-term benefit from getting your work done
getting whatever you are after but very long term consequences very bad consequences for you you can think about
it you can meditate and respect about it why i'm saying that and then
or the punishment we should very rarely see
once or twice in a lifetime and most of it should be empty punishment like a threat
very oral kind of thing that is also an action that will also cause
consequences something can go wrong try to punish a wrong guy and it can go very bad after
that so do not get into fights now transaction it proved
very very useful at least for me because you are not surrounded by angels you are not surrounded by
saints in this world very few people are going to cooperate with you nobody does anything for anybody here we
are as a seeker as an ordinary person left with only this
one mode of operation in the society that is transaction remember if somebody does something for
you out of love you will need to actually return the favor you will need to become double loving
you will need to become more compassionate you cannot simply say okay everybody
serve me because you love me no that is that is you know
it is like deceit it's worse than deceit actually so there are many people like this
and try to get favor favors from others because you're somebody people like you
or something and you do not return it so you see even the cooperation
there is a word cooperation so my duty is to return
that is also a transaction but that is a transaction of a higher kind somebody did something for you
because of their compassion now it is your turn to be compassionate now the other person is not going to
accept anything you know not money nothing anything and now you should not
pursue it you should not force that person it will become kind of punishment or something for that
you need to be careful somebody says no i don't want anything from you i just did it because this is my nature you
should let go that person don't try to burden him with your action may not like
it all we can do is become compassionate help somebody else
you see you are all my forms if a helps me
i help b it is you know full circle now there is nobody else
to return favor to there is only me so do not try to you know harass that person
no you did something good for me now you must come to my house and have dinner with me and that fellow will
feel odd or maybe may feel bad you know extra work now i
usually do the same thing i let go of them because that is the highest kind of compassion that is the unconditional
love you don't do anything for anybody that is the highest kind of love
but if somebody has done something it's it's you know return it it will very very rare but i'm just
giving you my opinion here how how to behave like this and first priority for us for seekers is
to cooperate always that is that should be the first priority it does not matter if somebody if the other people
if the other whether it's your relative your friend your office colleague your
you know shopkeeper whatever it doesn't matter our first priority and
including your enemies if you have enemies something is really really wrong
if you hate something somebody some community some country some class some caste
if there is hate in your mind something is really wrong you see then these teachings are useless
for you first you you'll need to purify the mind and then these things are going to make
some sense but you are already doing your purification and now you want to know
how to act and that is that's what i'm saying first priority cooperation you do something for for
others just because it is your nature just because you see them as my own self
now you need to be very careful you see somebody comes to you and says let's rob the bank let's kill this person you see
let's go and bomb this country uh you will need to think about it whether cooperation
or not should i cooperate here or not you see greater good not the tiny good
bigger good so it's it shouldn't be blind cooperation and the cooperation should not be out of
attachment it should be out of love if your wife or your
child says i want and this many this much money
i want to buy something expensive and then if you are attached you will spend that money
if you are not attached if you are loving then you will probably not pay you will probably not
give it and they will say oh you're not cooperative you you are a seeker but you behave something else so you just ignore
what they're saying because you see they are using deceit to get the work done from you once you know
that how to use these things you will start recognizing these same
modes of behavior in others how they try to get things out of you
how they try to get their work done out of you how they use you and they will use
the same four methods there's nothing else actually and you can judge the character of the
person by simply observing what they use so the lowliest kind of person is going to use
deceit a little one step higher is going to use force if the punishment is force
and a little bit reasonable person will barter transit will do transaction give
me this i'll give you that and the highest kind of person your highly evolved person will simply
corporate serve you so your behavior is now reflected there
actually this is my experience also if you are cooperative there is a very good chance that the other person will rise
to your level and will cooperate with you at least they will speak sweetly
but do not accept the favors if you do favors on somebody
do not accept it back because it will go in your account there will be a bond now so we don't want
bonds we are trying to end the bondage isn't it we're trying to break our ties with the world
so that's why i told you let go of the person who has served you let go of the person who has cooperated
with you do not burden him with your favor if he is a yogi he will not like it
so better ask if you are in doubt you should ask you have done this thing do you want
something how can i help you just formality and if they say no no i don't want
anything you just let go you see and same thing we should do in our case
do not try to i mean do not try to take the favor you have helped somebody
because it's your nature don't take the burden of their favor it's not recommended in the karmic from
the karmic point of view so you see i love i'm learning these things as i progress
because you see nobody teaches us these things can somebody recall if their teachers if their
parents if they're whatever have told you these things even your guru is not going to tell you these
things just like i said the guru has a very kind answer a pet answer be loving compassionate
actually that is the right answer but you see it does not work so
from the point of view of the seeker the first priority goes to cooperation the second goes to transaction which will
work and the third and fourth are not recommended punishment and
deceit use very very sparingly
never without any reason only when extremely needed
only then it's a matter of survival what wins survival or spiritual
knowledge what wins tell me from your experience i'll tell you my experience survival
always wins you will need to be kind of a big saint
to sacrifice your life for others that's why we remember them even after
thousands of years this is not going to happen for an ordinary seeker so survival wins
and these things the work and mostly transaction
works you be cooperative to others and you pay them back
through any means you see even if it's your friend he's not going to take money do something for them
and that will even out the balance so um that was a kind of
long answer about what are the possible ways of getting some things done
and if you become aware of your actions you will see that these four modes are being employed and then now you can with
full awareness prefer the best one that will purify the mind
and actually that will make your life very easy in the society that is my
experience you will be surrounded with the kind of people that you are
i mean your nature will be reflected in the others so if you are using deceit all the time
then you will be surrounded by that kind of people it is you can say law of attraction if you are using power you are using
force punishment you will find that kind of people will love you
you see you will gather enemies enemy enmity is nothing love isn't it i keep
thinking of you killing you so indifference is better
and i've seen that transaction works very nicely clears your account also
you will need to earn money or you will need to become useful for others for that
and cooperation yes that is the default action
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