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discuss the spiritual matters
especially The Path of Knowledge and we
also conduct the activities of The Path
of Knowledge program
so this is very useful for those who are
in the program or those who want to join
the program all questions are most
welcome
Graham is asking how should I deal with
my desire to be with the guru just like
you deal with all the desires know that
they are simply illusory activity of the
mind if it is really important it will
happen automatically if it is not
important simply watch this activity
coming and going be in Awareness this is
the solution for all the desires
is asking is Muji saying bring your
heart to your mind similar to the
experience of Oneness because the heart
here means the experiencer so it means
know the experiencer Mind means
knowledge intellect so the word heart
comes from the terminology of Raman
mahashi he called the experiencer or the
Atman as the Rhythm or heart and the
mind is simply that which thinks so
think about the experiencer which means
being awareness self-inquiry
is it right to infer that term of love
as used in spiritual context is
synonymous to experiencing or Oneness
yes the definition of love is to become
one when there is there are no
differences so at the highest level
everything is one and that is same as
love
there is a question from Satya that what
does spiritual independence mean I never
heard about this thing we can talk about
the independence of the person but that
which is spiritual is already
independent it is already free so the
person can be freed from ignorance that
much is possible that much Independence
is possible
probably when you become free from
ignorance that will be your Independence
you are not dependent on others to know
what is true what is not
Muni has a question there are tests in a
Hindi satsang on a continuous basis
but hardly any in English are less
people joining the English book is
English not a preferred language yes
very few people join the English program
even those who know English they join
the Hindi program if they know two
languages they prefer the Hindi one so
that is why we have more people there
and in English we have few people but
not much and I have seen that many
people do not appear for exams they
listen to all the videos but they do not
complete the third step everybody is
afraid of exams
what is saying it needs more marketing
so many people would benefit they just
do not know it exists yes we are trying
we're trying to reach more people and
the status of the Marathi program is
also the same so far very few people
have joined it and almost nobody is
progressing in that program
it looks like that these people are not
aware there are programs like this so we
are trying a few things in few probably
six or seven months there will be more
people in the program
has a question in last satsang you told
us that you have some surprise for us
what was that about we are launching new
programs new apps new services so that
is what is the surprise nothing special
from the point of view of those who are
already in the program same services in
many forms so just like Muni said we
need little bit marketing so we are
launching more services
Sanjay Singh can test conducted on
one-to-one basis no that is not the
recommendation it has to be transparent
this whole program is transparent what
you are writing is visible
certificates are visible to everybody
even without logging in they are visible
and the tests they are published online
that is because we want to keep the
transparency fairness and secondly these
questions that are asked in the test
they are very much beneficial for
everybody else many people benefit from
these answers and if there is no fear
the student will think that nobody is
listening to me except the one who is
taking the exam so they will be careless
they will think that if I fail I'll
simply ask the teacher again to take the
test nobody will come to know so just
like every other exam this is also
public and transparent
there is no point in a personal exam
that I keep paying every day your
personal interaction with me is your
exam
swapna is asking by knowledge or Gan in
some situations becomes very difficult
to apply
it totally depends on the situations
where are you trying to apply it usually
the truth is completely useless in your
illusion in the illusion only the
knowledge of the illusion will work not
the truth so let me know where you are
trying to apply it probably at the wrong
place the use of knowledge is in
Liberation from the illusion that is the
application
there are effects of knowledge and those
effects like the peace the Bliss higher
intelligence Evolution they can have a
little bit of beneficial effect on the
person but if you try to apply the the
knowledge that I am not a human I am not
a person I try applying that in case of
your family or your business and it is
impossible not only difficult there you
must behave like a human there you
should be a person and there is no other
choice also how can you behave as a
emptiness or experiencer it has no
Behavior at all so the knowledge cannot
be applied in the world it can be
applied to get rid of the world
Sunday is asking what are your thoughts
and opinions
how one can comprehend the true lessons
from it that is simply summary of the
knowledge that is embedded in The Vedic
literature that are applications and in
my opinion it is very compressed
encrypted difficult to understand very
old language but they are very good
source and how to comprehend it how to
learn it the best way is to approach a
guru who knows what is written there who
has actually experienced it it will not
be possible to understand it if you read
it
even if you have a good knowledge of
Sanskrit you will understand nothing it
is same as the case when you have a good
knowledge of English but you are given a
book of philosophy or mathematics or
physics you won't be able to understand
a single line it will take many years of
study under a teacher to comprehend what
is written in the book of physics or
biology you will understand a few words
here and there but you won't become a
student of that subject simply by
reading so systematic study under a
teacher is the only way there is no
other way there is no other shortcut on
The Path of Knowledge this is a shortcut
if you start reading things especially
the old books it will take you many many
years you sit with the guru and it will
take only one hour so what people think
is shortcut I'll buy a book and get all
the knowledge is actually shortcut to
failure
Kanika has a question what can help to
spread knowledge to as many people as
possible we do not want many people we
want only those who are searching so
become available to those who are
searching and how how to do that there
are many ways like start publishing your
own channels your own groups and those
who are interested they will come and if
one person is benefited they will go and
tell somebody else and so on so this is
the only way there are other ways but we
do not employ those things when you
advertise that I have this knowledge I
have that knowledge I can give you this
I can give you that then a lot of
deluded people start coming and they
will waste your time so although we want
more people to benefit but we do not
want too many
just like you know the working of the
group field they do not allow
advertisement or manipulation of any
kind so service that is all they want
they want you to Simply serve then it is
the job of the guru field to send the
proper person to you so this is not our
responsibility fortunately to find the
right person this is the responsibility
of the good field they keep sending the
people and the good thing is these kind
of people are very very less very few so
our job is very easy actually
there are other gurus who can employ
different kind of method they are called
the public group you can say popular
groups so their job is not to spread
knowledge their job is to spread
awareness of the
spirituality usually these people are so
busy that nobody can even talk to them
nobody can ask the questions and they
can ask the questions but there is a
very big fees for that a lot of money
must be spent to even talk to these
people so what will happen if you become
popular same thing will happen nobody
will benefit
so everybody has their own methods and
their own missions
our mission is to pick those who are
ready and to leave those who are not
ready
even after giving the knowledge I find
that they are not ready for it so we
leave them because when when the time is
right they will progress
so it is asking once the truth becomes
evident is there the need of learning
any other ritualistic practices totally
depends on your desire if you want to do
something and it involves some kind of
practice then yes learn it use it if you
are trying to do the ritualistic
practice to know the truth then it will
be useless practice
but if you are trying to achieve
something else then you should learn it
first properly do it under the guidance
of the guru
what is the ultimate goal of the guru
feel and why I don't know why but their
goal is spreading of knowledge and light
why are they doing it it is a play
actually if you really want to know the
reason it is just like a play they are
playing with it so you can ask the same
question to somebody who climbs Mountain
what is your ultimate goal and why so
they will say my goal is to climb the
mountain and why because it is a play
same thing they are players
sandesh is asking I have explained lucid
dreaming a lot of time is that any
spiritual experience or it's just a
dream it is just a dream it simply means
that there is a high amount of awareness
in that dream there are no experiences
that you can say Are Spiritual there is
no material experience and there is no
spiritual experience whatever you are
witnessing right now is also spiritual
there is only one kind of experience in
that experiences completely fabricated
illusion so everything is actually an
illusion and if you want you can call it
spiritual illusion because it is you
only you are the illusion also and you
are the witness of the illusion also
has a question when everything is one
what is the point of this whole drama
Point means you are asking a reason and
there is no reason the drama means play
or Leela and you can say the reason is
to play the reason of the drama is to
enjoy the drama enjoyment entertainment
but that is not very accurate answer the
answer is in this existence there are no
reasons no causes no purpose it is
purely existing then the human mind
creates all the reasons purposes and so
on because of its limited intelligence
it wants to know why it is there but in
reality everything simply is
so different people are given different
answers depending on their ability to
grasp so the highest answer is this that
the reasons causes are simply illusory
but if they cannot understand it then
something else is told like it is a play
if that is not also graspable then they
say to get the happiness to become happy
Bliss and some people cannot understand
that also so they are told something
else so totally depends on how much
progress you have made you will get
different answers
can we really grasp reality as it is
because even to know that you need to be
there
and that's maybe your individual point
of view yes it is possible to grasp the
reality
and that which is trying to grasp it is
seen as not there
when the eye disappears the reality
appears when the individual point of
view disappears The Universal point of
view appears which was all always there
is it was hidden behind this ignorance
that I need to know when this eye is
gone and the need to know is gone
whatever is will be shown it shines it
is already here it is hidden behind your
ignorance
on The Path of Knowledge everything is
known all the questions are destroyed
completely
he's saying I think you mean it's not
about point of view it's about the
viewer the one who is seen no I don't
mean that your question was can we
really grasp the reality and the answer
is yes it is possible to know it
completely with complete evidence
things will happen right so but once the
truth
becomes part of the individuals then the
desires also played already a lot so is
it like the necessary life then it is
done or it is known or what the desires
point out to the mind but the Mind stops
bringing in desires the truth the part
of that illogic whatever Library how do
we say that I don't know what you're
asking probably you're asking that when
the desires come and you become aware of
it they stop they go away how to explain
that are you asking this no my first and
only person was uh like once the truth
is known is there a need of learning any
of these things okay like other kind of
learning electric walls and practice of
a you know which that's great so for the
Fulfillment of some kind of goal desire
that arises so
against that I understand my next
question is that once the truth is no
nor becomes a part of that individual
like the desires no playing much of
important because it is always seen in
the perspective of the truth and it just
Fades away so that's where my loves it
like so in that scenario where is the
what's the point of learning any Jewish
things that might be involving some kind
of sad and other kind of sadness yes if
their desires if there is a desire
initially to learn something to do
something
and it goes away Fades away then
probably it's not important then it is
there is no need to do it it came and it
went away that means it was simply
impulse that was probably implanted it
was not yours you heard it somewhere
somebody told you now there is a
momentary desire but if the desire
remains it keeps coming again and again
then probably it is necessary now it is
important so in that case you should do
it learn that ritual do the practice
properly see what happens to the desire
is there any fulfillment in that or you
get bored of it so your bliss should be
the deciding factor are you enjoying it
are you happy about doing it that should
be the deciding factor what should I do
with that desire you are asking if it
goes away no problem at all but if it
stays that means you should check
whether it is making me happy or not
whether it is beneficial for others or
not
and only then should be done hopefully
that is what you are asking yeah kind of
but I'm not talking about my individual
desire or anything like if I even if I
talk about this individual person like
maybe the way it was before
understanding this truth because the
understanding of this truth happened it
was very different my personality my
behavior I mean it was wonderful and
once after an understanding of the
absolute truth and being abiding in it
in your awareness
it has completely changed
as long as we media requirements are
fulfilled it's just okay but you know
and so that's that's where my question
arises like after knowing this is
satisfaction and happiness whatever may
be around going on it does not matter
that that happiness for the faith
believes in in that situation that
desire of wanting anything more than
whatever it is probably it's it's for me
so what I can understand or feel is that
the more I be in it or the practice of
this it just happens and there's no more
practice or anything that needs to be
done for being in the awareness or being
in the truth so it just keeps on
increasing every every moment every day
children the national learning anything
else or doing anything else because your
progress is good so there is no need to
learn anything new continue in the
awareness nothing more to do you're
already reaping the fruits that's what
my question was yes totally useless
practices so you are already Beyond
practices now there is no need to do
anything else yeah that is what also
that comes to my mind like
once any individual can understand
through them migrate the guru that
understand becomes so deep that anything
else every other thing to follow is this
isn't it
it has to be that way for anyone who
understands the nature of this skill
doesn't have anything it just happens by
itself after that yes your progress is
good so there is no need to learn
anything new continue in that awareness
nothing more to do you're already
reaping the fruits that's what my
question was
totally useless practices so you are
already Beyond practices now there is no
need to do anything else yeah that is
what also that comes to my mind like
once any individual characters
so deep that everything else every other
thing to follow is this is
it has to be that way for anyone who
understands yeah the nature of this kid
doesn't have anything it just happens by
itself after that yes ideally it should
happen like this for everybody that they
will keep dropping dropping everything
that is unnecessary will be dropped
continuously probably it happened for
you quickly some people are still trying
to drop it and ultimately everybody
leaves empty-handed come completely
empty that stops the human Birds also so
this is the effect of knowledge Purity
purification is the effect
it should happen for everybody they will
take their time depending on how much
load they have cartmic load so it is
very good that you do not have anything
now nothing left and don't worry about
the small desires that come there's
nothing harmful in that simply watching
awareness
yes just mental activity simply observe
it it's nothing to to be done if it is
very important it will happen
automatically nobody is there to do it
nobody is the tour okay we'll take
another question
because is saying are our Indian gods
like Kali rudra bharav are just creative
ways that our ancestor depicted as the
inner states of awareness and that they
are pictorial representations of
emotions States example anger violence
no no no they are personification of the
powers of the universe rudra is nothing
but shiv only which you are so your own
form bhairav Sim Kali energy or you can
say vibration in our terminology which
is also you so you are pictured in many
ways because you have taken many forms
so where do you find this kind of
deities in the tantric field these all
names are coming from the tantric field
and whenever they assign a name to
something it is always some kind of
power
they have identified this kind of energy
this kind of activity in the mind
and they assign it a name so rudra
actually means Fierce it does not mean
mean angry
and Kali does not mean violence it means
the survival tendencies that is found in
every creature so this is a big subject
and totally Beyond Path of Knowledge by
Beyond I mean not covered in The Path of
Knowledge
chitty saying I am assuming you will
transcend your existing identity to
Universal identity your existing
identity is already an illusion so it
disappears and the universal identity
means nothing it is completely empty of
any identities so some people will say
that my identity will shift from the
body to something big Brahman
experiencer no it will be gone there is
no transcending you are already that
simply remove your ignorance there is no
need to transcend to anything do you
need to change your identities to from
this to that all identities are false
and the belief that I am down here I
need to transcend somewhere
is simple ignorance you are already the
ultimate you are already the highest and
it has no identity at all it cannot be
identified as one thing so there is a
lot of ignorance and I recommend going
systematically find a guru start
studying
so I think not many questions and we can
end today's satsang here hopefully
everybody got their answers and keep
progressing and I'll see you next time
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