PEOS 214 : Desires, Conspiracy, Subjective, Objectivity, Reincarnation

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xE57e3OHlY

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has a question although I got the answer

already all experiences are illusory and

are always one then why I or we are

trying to get some different kind of

experiences which may be in other states

that is a matter of personal preference

this activity is happening in the dream

and the dream can go in any way so when

you say when I or V with that means the

mind that means this creature and it

cannot remain without doing anything

doing its is its nature but you are

absolutely still you are not the doer

and you are not trying and there is no

desire in you

so everything is exactly as it should be

that which is silent is silent that

which is active is active

that which is active is trying to get

this experience or that experience it

should not matter all experiences are

same illusory and that which is trying

to get the experiences is Desiring the

experiences of different kinds is also

illusory and this is how it has been all

the time nothing has changed really

when there was ignorance the mind was

entangled in the experiences it wanted

this it wanted that when there is

knowledge still same thing is going on

but now the difference is that there is

the knowledge that it is not me now

everything is okay this is the desire of

the person not of me and it can desire

anything it wants

a desire to not take any kind of

experience or to continue in one boring

experience forever is also a desire that

is also a choice so in the dream the

decision is not made from the truth the

decision is made from the false all

decisions are ultimately false and

illusory so it does not really matter

in the truth no decision is made because

there is no activity there

it is a matter of mixing the true and

the false the true never makes any

decisions never runs after this or that

in the Falls cannot stop making

decisions cannot stop choosing and is

always found to prefer this or that

the knowledge makes only one difference

that now everything is happening in

Bliss now the right action is happening

and if that action is providing any kind

of Happiness to this creature then it

will go for it if it is an experience of

unusual kind then also it is a play

because look at your current experience

it is also of unusual kind there is

nothing normal in this experience the

ignorance is that my presence as a human

is perfectly normal and then I need

something else which is Paranormal this

is the ignorance

fully knowing that this is also an

illusion this is also a strange

experience of being a human and then

Desiring some other experience perfectly

normal

where is the ignorance thinking that I

am choosing I am running after

experiences and I have an attachment to

different kind of experiences than the

worldly experience and that should not

happen this all thought is ignorance

vandita is saying kindly brief little

about this in your own language

I heard it for a few minutes only and it

is some kind of conspiracy like talk it

is some kind of spiced up personal story

of that man and I don't think all of it

is true but I saw that he has a lot of

knowledge he is was speaking about the

non-duality he was talking about his own

nature and he was talking about why to

why we should stop The Reincarnation

these basic statements were all true

they are all true but whatever stories

he told about that we don't know we

don't know about that if they are true

or not

he told a story about his experience

when he died that can be true that is

possible but then we then he went into

some kind of speculation that there are

beings that are causing us to remain

trapped in the human and the feed on our

energy and so on I think that is made up

that is his personal opinion there is no

truth in that so I shared this topic

because it is coming from a totally

different point of view it is coming

from what you call the new age or cheap

spirituality it is not based on any

tradition not based on any Scripture not

based on any group he has his own

personal experience only to say but even

then he could manage very good

conclusions about his experiences

There Is No Death yes it is true my

nature is awareness that is also true

although he does not have the

terminology to say it reincarnation is

suffering that is also true and he could

touch upon non-duality a little bit

everything is one this and that but if

you check the contents of that channel

it is all full of all kind of conspiracy

theory and that channel is more for

entertainment less for knowledge

so those who are interested in killing

their time in the entertaining way this

is a good interview there are some more

good interviews there but mostly they

have unusual amount of spice spiced up

to make more views

Graham is asking can some physical

desires

to be resolve my energy practices for

example could say actual desire be

resolved by bringing male and female

energies in one body mind together

properly I have no idea about the energy

practices so and

I totally have no idea about how to

bring male and female energies in one

body on The Path of Knowledge what do we

say that desires will be fulfilled if

they are absolutely necessary they will

be fulfilled automatically and that

includes any kind of Desire if the right

time has arrived it will fulfill itself

that is the most natural way

and then manipulating some kind of

energy or something I have no idea about

it this sounds more like local practices

than the energy practices because

the energetic path like the Kundalini

and all they are not focused on desire

fulfillment only the occult your Tantra

is focused on desire fulfillment and

bear because of Desire fulfillment is

not energy intention so hopefully that

is a satisfactory answer although it is

totally off topic for me

direct experiences can be interpreted

differently according to filters when

believes in how can one differentiate a

subjective direct experience from an

object to direct experience so as

everybody knows there is no objective

direct experience all experiences are

your own roughly we can say like this

that I don't know what you are

experiencing you don't know what I'm

experiencing although the experiencer is

one the knowledge about what is

happening are separate so if there is a

good amount of overlap if one

interpretation agrees more than 50

percent with another interpretation then

we say that we have a consensus in

experience it means your experience

matches with my experience your

subjective experience is mostly like my

subject to experience and now you can

project it outside that the outside

world is like this which we both both

are seeing and then the illusion of

objective World appears

if there is no consensus or the

consensus is very less then there is no

agreement and there is no direct

experience which is objective

it is always subjective but because

there is some agreement between the

experiences because they are coming from

the same kind of Senses there is a base

reality which is formed by comparing the

basic experience but as we go deeper

into the interpretations then it becomes

totally subjective

for example you start playing a song

everybody will agree that there are

sounds and everybody will agree that it

is a male sound or a female sound female

voice that much interpretation is

overlapping because ears are mostly

constructed in a similar way for humans

but as soon as you say that it is a good

song melodious song then the agreement

may start breaking because maybe the

other person does not like that song

their their interpretation will be

different he will say no this is not a

good song it is not melodious at all it

is not matching my mood I do not like

this because some other comparisons are

being made in the memory which are not

present in the first memory so the

consensus breaks

now you can say that there are sounds

but you cannot say that they are

melodious sounds but let us say instead

of taking the human as other person you

take a dog now the dog will not

experience it as music he will interpret

it completely differently but there will

be little bit of agreement that he is

hearing something you are hearing

something but now there is no agreement

about that

if you now compare your experience with

the experience of an ant the ant is

experiencing the sound probably as

vibrations of the ground because the ant

is mostly on the ground so the whole

body of the ant is picking up these

beads of the music it is like an

earthquake or somebody's walking an ant

will run away probably thinking that

some big creature is coming there is no

agreement at all now the experiences are

totally subjective

this is seen very clearly when you speak

some other language which the person you

are with does not understand if somebody

says a joke in Chinese nobody will laugh

if they do not understand it so was that

a joke was that funny we do not know

those who understand that language they

will start laughing

so all experiences are basically

subjective and there is overlap due to

similar structures of the layers the

more difference there is between the

structures memory senses the less

objective it becomes

so what is the conclusion of this

analysis all experiences mind created

there is nothing which is out there

there are no objects there is only

subject which is you whatever is seen is

again you being filtered by senses and

by whatever we call Impressions sanskar

and also by knowledge like I gave the

example of Chinese joke your knowledge

of Chinese will not enable you to grasp

it your ignorance of Chinese

so whatever impressions are there in

this structure they will determine the

final experience so all experience is

actually illusory and subjective

and it is me looking at myself in

various ways different ways

so if you want to make a pie chart of

subjective and objective you will see

that 90 percent of experience is

subjective the overlap is very little

and the overlap becomes even less as we

go towards higher layers

so maybe you are in the same world that

everybody is there in but still you will

experience totally different things and

other people there will experience

completely different things you will see

your father mother dead relatives and so

on and the others will see probably

monsters will hear voices or or will see

lights sounds colors why is that because

the higher layers probably are

completely different in different people

as we go towards the physical mostly the

experiences start merging into

objectivity because they are now shared

and that is why we call the objective

world or this physical world shared

reality shared experience because this

dream is being shared among individuals

otherwise there are infinite

possibilities that will be that will

appear in infinite varieties

fortunately there is a possibility that

the patterns will make copies of

themselves and when the experience is

filtered when the vibration is filtered

through these patterns the creatures

will experience something similar that

produces a stable world just like our

world here Earth is a stable World there

is an agreement

so it is more meaningful

this kind of shared experiences very

rare it is very rare although there is a

possibility but the possibilities of

having different experiences are more

than the possibility of having a shared

experience

like if you throw two stones what is the

probability that one stone will fall on

another Stone and they will stack up

very little but the probability that

they will scatter here and there is in

finite

so how fortunate we are that we are

living in a shared reality you cannot

call it a reality shared hallucination

shared dream this can be treated as a

major power like an occult power

superpower so this human birth is a

matter of luck you must be really really

lucky the structure must be so lucky

that it found it now many things are

possible now life is possible now

knowledge is possible now meaningful

experience is possible

mandita is asking sometimes sharing can

also be imposed

like in movie show experience you can

try to convince people that this

experience is like this but it is very

difficult to convince everybody about it

even in a movie most of the people will

not agree on everything some will say

the boy was good some some will say the

movie was bad some will say no this part

was good that part was bad some will say

this song was good that song was bad so

even in the movie they will have

different interpretations but what they

will agree on is the base basic things

the senses are moving pictures the ears

heard some sounds that much can be

agreed

what is happening in the society is that

people are being brainwashed to agree on

things so that they can fit into the

society remember that if you do not

agree with the society you will be

thrown out

so look at the society everybody is

wearing the same clothes there are

countries where every man wears only

black or blue jackets and every woman

has red or pink or something like this

white no other colors you can check the

TV shows the movies their news

why everybody needs to wear only one

color they are trying to conform to each

other that look I am like you as soon as

something changes the agreement is

broken and now they feel afraid so why

everybody's singing prayers in the

temples even if they don't like it they

want to mix they want to mingle with

everybody else as soon as you are born

your training starts you need to be like

everybody else even if a slight

difference is seen people are worried

and look at the Seeker it's totally

different and that is why the worldly

people will call you crazy because you

don't want to mix

so those who are in the society they are

bound many to remain same they only all

need to have same skin color same

hairstyle same clothes

same language nothing should be

different same food also same drinks

also they should wash this same TV show

and they should support the same

politician otherwise what happens chaos

that will be called a very artificial

society and that is how the most modern

societies are they are all based on a

forced perspective there is very less

freedom

and when you compare other countries

with with India India has the most

Freedom you will see everybody can dress

in whatever way they want everybody can

speak any language they want they can

eat anything they want they can have any

kind of politics any kind of religion

and spiritual path

I've never seen this much freedom in any

other country even these tribal people

they are not so free and that is why

when somebody a foreigner arrives in

India he sees only chaos there are no

rules here that is the disadvantage of

so much freedom

okay we can go on like this bit and give

it to you as a homework everybody should

see that how forcing the objective

experience or materialism denies us our

freedom to experience anything

Graham is asking why is ending the cycle

of birth and death goal it's impossible

since everything has already happened

isn't it but even from a relative

perspective in time if it did not stop

wouldn't it start again automatically

then that is not the goal on The Path of

Knowledge because here the knowledge

says that I was never born and I'll

Never Die My Essence is worthless and

deathless so the question itself is

assuming that it is a goal that is not

the goal the goal is destruction of your

ignorance has it happened yes then the

goal is achieved

now can we stop the cycle of birth and

death then the question is who's birth

and death

because there is nobody there is no

person here the person is an illusion so

whose birth and death so if you stop it

will it start again how can you stop

that which is not there and who is there

to stop it if there is no agency if

there is no person and that is why

having this goal is meaningless

simply no there is no birth and no death

what do we need to stop stop believing

in that which is not true in whatever is

happening because it simply appears to

happen that is okay if there are

attempts to stop it perfectly okay

people are free to do whatever they want

to do if you assume that I am born then

it will be possible to stop it because

then the Assumption will turn into now I

am not born but both are equally false

they are different kinds of dream in one

dream you are saying look I took a birth

here and there in another dream you are

saying finally I am free from birth but

can the dream stop the dream will never

stop

the dream is not in time it is timeless

the dream appears with complete timeline

with a complete history including death

and birth and everything rebirth so on

that is how the dream appears with time

so some different kind of assumptions

can be taken in the dream and the dream

modifies itself but it will remain the

dream nobody is born nobody dies nobody

can stop anything nobody can start

anything simply the possibilities are

appearing disappearing it's never ending

game

so on The Path of Knowledge our goal is

to realize this much all is whole and

complete that is me and here we should

stop

then there should not be any questions

after this there should not be any more

assumptions after this

some people will say look I achieved the

knowledge now I am the whole I am the

existence

now let me stop the birth and death but

you can see there is still ignorance

because knowing that I am the existence

the question of birth and death should

not should not arise now and the thought

of stopping it should not arise

so as the knowledge becomes stable all

these thinking stops that is all will

stop

why is there no practice on The Path of

Knowledge why there are no more goals

because if you think deeply you will see

nothing needs to be done nothing needs

to be achieved nothing needs to happen

nothing extra is needed

that is the conclusion of the knowledge

and if there is still something that

needs to be achieved there are more

goals now that means there is no

knowledge

probably these things were heard that

look I'm the existence I'm the

experiencer there is one experiencer and

so on but but to Seeker never thought

about it the contemplation is missing

what are the consequences of finding out

that I am emptiness with possibilities

that was not thought about those

questions were not asked and the mind

simply jumped into some other desire

okay I got the knowledge now next this

is the condition of many Seekers

if you could simply contemplate meditate

on the implications of the knowledge and

the thing will be left there is nothing

to do after this this is final

so we'll conclude today's meeting here

thank you everybody for attending

today's meeting I'll see you next time