PEOS 213 : Perfection, Illusion, Self-evident, Nonlocal, Evolution, Space, Humans, History, People

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hello and welcome to Pure experiences online satsang this satsang is an

opportunity for everybody to meet and discuss the spiritual matters especially

of The Path of Knowledge and We Carry Out The Path of Knowledge program today also we are going to start with the test

of siddhant so you will be given 10 questions and

you will need to score more than 50 percent to reach the step number four of

the program and meanwhile everybody just enjoy the test do not write the answers

we'll discuss them after the exam so these are your questions all the best

um okay um I might I might take some time to think about the answer

uh depending on the question so the first question what is the final

result or destination of Path of Knowledge well uh the final goal of Path of

Knowledge is to remove all the ignorance and come back home and realize our true

nature um uh self-realization

or you can say the knowledge of the experiences that is the goal

so the second question uh if there is perfection in the

existence why is there so much ignorance there is perfection

well there is a potential for

there to be ignorance there is potential for ignorance to rise

so therefore we we can say that that's why there is ignorance although there is

no why um and if ignorance arises then then

that is also Perfection arising as ignorance

names and third question names and forms are always present with the essence

then why are they false yes so names and forms are

always present with the essence but they are false because they

keep because names and forms constantly keep on changing so on Path of Knowledge we have a

criteria that everything that is changing is false and

that which is that does not the essence does not change the forms and the

subsequent names that are derived from those forms they keep on changing

fourth question existence has no form or

has no form or start and and then how is it known via direct experience the most

fundamental thing about existence is that it exists so non-existence is impossible

the forms keep on changing but uh existence will always be there

existence has no form or start and or start and end then how is it

known via direct experience well it is our direct experience that things exist

that forms exist so so that existence comes first uh being is

existence is first and the uh that is followed

by an experience fifth question experiencer is everywhere

true or false yes this is uh well

experiencer is non-local so um so it's not uh limited so it is nowhere

and it is everywhere so yes this is true why are all experiences localized in the

head so all experiences are

experiences of the Mind so uh

so we perceive things using our five senses and uh

all experiences are mental experiences why are all experiences localized in the

head now actually this uh assumption that the

experiences are localized in the head is false all experiences are actually non-local

they appear to be localized in the head for humans

but upon further investigation the all experiences are actually

non-local so the seventh question is what takes form

uh the experience the experiencer uh takes form uh the

experiencer which is formless that that takes from the

the essence of all form is the experiencer so

yes the experiencer that it is it is the experiencer that takes form

yes that that's my answer eighth one how do we know that the vibrations exist

well uh because of the change and uh uh

changes binary because we only experience change uh

experience in in fact experience is changed so and the most basic element of change

is uh is is a duality of vibration

it rises and Falls like a like a sine wave so we can reduce down all changes to uh

some some basic a basic vibration which arises and forms in in the form of

a wave in which world do we find the layers of the memory

in which world do we find the layers of the memory well we find layers of the memory in all

the worlds well I mean I don't know about other words but in this world

yes you do find layers of the memory where 10th question where does the

evolution of the layers lead to um

even the evolution of layers eventually leads to dissolution so

yes that's the final layer where the um

where the experience uh dissolved into the experiencer

so it it is already dissolved so yes that's

um I would like to come back to the fourth question I don't think I answered it correctly

existence has no form or start and end then how do we

then how is it known to be a direct experience that's the basic thing we can say about

anything is that it exists so that's our direct experience

that uh um things exist and then

lack of existence is impossible yeah in the same way lack of experience

is impossible so yes that's so yes yes guruja tried my best so thank

you okay very good and you have scored 7.5

out of 10 which is a very good score actually and most of your answers were

very good and now you are in the step number four of the program where you will need to

start the awareness practice in the waking State and for three months we

will observe you keep sending the weekly reports from the program itself there

are some videos that explain this practice and now we are going to discuss these

questions a little bit in very short although most of the answers were correct only one answer was incorrect

which was surprisingly very easy but he got in an incorrect but anyway number

one was what is the final result of the destination of The Path of Knowledge he got half Marks here and you can guess

why because The Path of Knowledge does not lead to any kind of knowledge it

leads to agnostic position agnosticism where the knowledge is discarded in

favor of Silence this is known to very few people because

they are at the starting point of The Path of Knowledge as you reach the end

which will come very soon you will find that there is nothing worth knowing there is something which is worth being

which you already are that is the end of The Path of Knowledge it it actually

self destroys in the end very beautiful number two if there is perfection in the

existence wise there is why there is so much ignorance full marks ignorance and

knowledge they are needed to complete the existence without ignorance we cannot cannot call it complete

number three names and forms are always present with this is why are then why are the false full marks again they are

present but they are present as changing many their nature is changing I mean

when we cannot even say that their nature is changing they are seen as changing so people can say that and The Clay Pot

is always present with the form of pot and name of pot then why are you saying

that it is not there because the clay can be present in any other form also if it is present in

hundred forms then which is the true form that is the question

that is where the logic comes in if you simply observe the clay part in isolation you would think that there is

only one name and form then why are you saying it is false and it will be the question but look at all the forms of

the claim ask this question which one is the true form of the clay and then you

will find in this metaphor because this is only meta for example that there is no true form your intellect will say no

no this form is true no that is true now tomorrow there is some other form which one then you will get Negative knowledge

here that no the forms do not Define my experience of clay pot they are made on

the spot by the senses because change the sense and the form will change yes change the language let me change the

Mind change your knowledge about the names and it will change so they are all false

which is the right name for the pot in English or Hindi or Sanskrit to Chinese

you can say all of them are right but in philosophy the truth is one not many

anyway so probably I'm explaining it too much you all know these things

I I wanted to make this point that when we are born in this world what do we see

we see a consistent World there is this this exists objects people animals they

exist emotions thoughts exists and because we never see anything which is

totally different from these These are the forms taken by the existence in the

case of the physical world and we do not get any opportunity to to see anything more than this and that is why this

belief becomes very solid and this is true this is how everything is but all you need to see is that these forms are

changing even though there is a consistency imposed on the forms and

then it becomes obvious that we are looking at something which is false illusion

so number four existence is no form or start and end then how is it known by

that direct experience so he tried and he is effort was very good uh but he

tries to try two times still he got only half marks because this is a very tricky question I am

going to ask this in the satsang anybody has a better answer although his answer is possible that's

why he got half marks good try sakti is saying by being here and now

the definition of the existence is experience and the experiencer or you can say combine them into one the

experiencing is it not here and now and nobody will say no everybody will say

yes this is how it is this is how the existence is known by being here and now

so sometimes hundred percent right in philosophical language we say it is

self-evident no evidence is needed how can we say something is

self-evidence when it's negation actually proves it

if we try to say there is no existence what happens these words are heard these

words become the experience and they are heard by you know ultimately you can say roughly they are heard by the

experiencer now denial proved it that is the Hallmark of self-evident things

is saying we can never know the starter and only what is not there is known

through direct experience and Graham is saying because we are it yes very good answer I am the existence look existence

is confirming it existence is affirming it using this form this little human

form now do we need direct experience of some kind of form or its start or its

end do we need to look at the objective experience what is the question saying why can't we

see the existence as an object because objects have formed objects have a start objects have an end but look the

existence has none of these so it should not be there that is what the faulty logic is saying but yes it is not there

as an object it is not there it is that the ground on which all the objects are

present all the experiences are present is before we perceive it yes it is not a

subject matter of perception you can say it is the perceiver using some other words you see not our standard

terminology not not the perceived but the perceiver and whatever it perceives

is also itself its illusory forms that is the Essential Knowledge isn't it so

the knowledge of the existence is the Essential Knowledge and it is self-evident nothing is needed to prove

it anyhow let's go forward with your siddhant you should contemplate more on

the Essential Knowledge contemplate about this thing number five experiencer is everywhere

true or false actually he got full marks for this because he said true but he then explained that

it is non-local so once you say non-local you do not you should not say true or false that is the trick in the

question why do we say it is everywhere because that is the general language you see

that is the you can say an inaccurate language in a Common Language we say

like this oh it's everywhere omnipresent but what is the technical language what is the language of the philosophy it is

non-local means the words pointing to locations do not apply to it to the

experiencer not only through the experience but to the experience to the existence and all the fundamentals as

soon as you use the word where and when and these do not apply here they apply

to the objects so the only thing I said there is nowhere and everywhere yes that is why

you got full marks and impressed by that this should not be taken as true that it

is everywhere but it is also not false so that was the trick in the question the bottom line is you see that the

places appear to it it is not found in places anyhow poetically we say that

it's everywhere like it can appear as anything so what do we call it omnipotent it can create anything but

but that leads to so much confusion isn't it that leads to ignorance these

kind of this kind of language is not really accurate so what is the accurate

form of that omnipotence I can appear to myself as any illusory form that is the

correct way to say it that is how it is said in that dwen but you see systems

have become corrupt corrupt corrupt and there is problem now

okay next question why are all experiences localized in the head and his answer was right

and experiences are also on non-local there is simply this illusion and it is simply you can say a characteristic of

the humans it appears like this now there is interesting thing you know those who are doing the projections

practicing the projected States they will see that sometimes there is no head

no body you are simply floating point and then this belief breaks that

experiences are in the head because when there is no head where will you put your experiences

so that kind of practice is very much effective in removing all this ignorance

about the experiences you will know what is illusion when you step into the

illusion what takes forms and he said I take form the experience it takes form which is

right here we have risen to the level of non-duality actually in The Duality we

say the experiencer has no form we have separated it from the experience but in the non-duality we say that it is me

only which is taking the forms that is correct to say then you should not mix the levels of Duality non-duality there

nor do yesterday you said I don't have any form how can I take form today no

climb to the another level here from here it is all me this should be kept in mind when you are

attempting the exam that some questions they are asked from a non-dual point of view you should use your intelligence to

decide should I answer it from non-dual or dual or both like this then you'll

get full marks number eight how do we know that the vibrations exist full marks again

number nine in which world do we find the layers of the memory he got it wrong yeah this is the only answer he got

wrong with that can somebody tell me is Right World body and mind are in the

memory he got confused a little bit any other answers any difference of opinion

do this these layers of the memory reside in some special world out there above the above in the sky so anyway we

have the answer here by paramjit very nice so remember the diagram of the layers in one one of the videos I don't

remember which one is that but we extend the layers and we show that look the

Globes are drawn little Earths are drawn on that extended layers and then we show

that the senses and and the bodies you know whatever is called a body the layer

will appear as a body in that case and whatever it senses are sensing in that

layer that will appear as a world so all the layers have their corresponding worlds you can say like this roughly it

is not so easy but you have been given a little bit of idea of what is happening what is the world

what is the body how to know them in terms of the layers in the memory you have been given this kind of little bit

of idea starting point in the program but yes it is not wise to say that the

layers appear in some kind of world some kind of dimension number 10 where does the evolution of

the layers lead to he got half marks because he said to the dissolution which

is half right isn't it that is the final layer the dissolved mind now why did I

cut half mark there can somebody guess what is the complete answer here the half answer was given you know half of

the answer was correct what is the complete answer anybody is saying there is no purpose so they

don't lead anywhere very nice very right yes because the end point will imply that

you see you're evolving to the dissolution but no there is no purpose for mjp is saying Evolution ends and

starts over you are also right very correct it's a looping process you know it goes in circle cyclic process when I

saying there is no start and end to Evolution it leads nowhere exactly yes same answer as Graham so we have a

majority anybody else mother is saying there is change only it is operating cycle yes cyclic so siddhant was half

right it does go to dissolution starts again

there is no dissolution for the Brahman there can be dissolution for the Jiva or you can say them individual dissolved

and the individuals are dissolved and appear and dissolve in cyclic way till

Infinity this is also not known to many people because you see when they start the guru

tells them look your goal is resolution Liberation complete Annihilation Nirvana

this is very frightening to some people but yes some students

they want this kind of thing and we also tell look you are going to be liberated very soon in one hour and that is all

you see simply drama the reality is there are no goals no ends no Beginnings

nothing is achieved it is beautiful and perfect as it is nothing needs to happen

in the whole nothing needs to happen and this whatever looks like an evolution is

simply a dream part of the dream yes there are seeds of evolution in

resolution Madhuri said otherwise everything would have dissolved by now see given the infinite amount of time

the logic says that if it were a single you know one-way process then everything

would have already dissolved by now it is present still since eternity why are

all the individuals not yet dissolved completely what are they waiting for you

see they cannot do that new new ones keep appearing from the bottom so a

simple logic you see people should think about these things I am the Brahman in which all these

bubbles are arising and disappearing it is very clearly mentioned in the scriptures also whatever arises is just

like bubbles waves forms rise and fall anyway The Liberation is very useful

concept celebration from the ignorance only yes siddhant is saying humans are more

revolved according to humans yes according to creatures above us we are

simply cockroaches so everything is relative here nothing is evolved nothing is non-evolved

Graham is saying I don't understand how anyone wants resolution if it happened Who would know it yes the one that wants

will be gone so this fire is you know started in the heart of the student

simply to making progress towards the non-induciated layers nobody remains to

know that I am dissolved the logic does not really apply here it is a matter of

choice and even if you don't choose it it will happen resolution will happen

and even if you strongly desire that it should remain disorder like this you

know finally achieved it it will won't remain dissolved new forms will keep appearing from that which got dissolved

so ultimately individual has no choice whatever is happening is happening just

remember it is whole and perfect already whatever you think whatever you desire whatever is your goal has no importance

at all know this and be happy is saying all there is existence

experiencer experiences and unification of experience experiences experiencing so what is Mother Nature or Devi is it

single experience combination or experiencing or entity okay all that which can be all that which is

manifested will be called Devi in some other paths you see like you said Tantra paths some other devotional paths the

manifested part of the existence is not called illusion it is called Baby or the

goddess very simple so we have one question from chitranjan

his experience and incision blinking of experiencer or Consciousness experience

can be explained as a vibration in the existence which if you want you can call blinking because you know it goes on and

off in binary fashion that is the answer very simple answer so we have finished exam questions review of the exam

questions and very good attempt by Siddharth you have very good potential continue on the path

siddhant is asking what is space according to you an illusion one word answer illusion a concept and

as we discussed in the video on Space which is not in your program it is in the transmission series

it's created as a double illusion in the video on the transition series I have

called it a way to arrange information in the mind that is all spaces it is due

to memory a way to arrange information and yes you can arrange information in various ways like one after the other

which will look on one dimensional space right like in mathematics you can arrange the information in rows and

columns which will be two dimensional it will need two points two coordinates to

describe what is where which experience is happening where but you can arrange it in three dimensions also and more

than that if you want it totally depends on how the mind arranges the information and the

resulting experience will be experience of space like your room how neatly

everything is arranged by that I mean even if you throw your stuff around in the room and your mother is not happy

with you still the Mind manages to arrange everything correctly the location is the result of this

Arrangement a map is created of all the information and the way it is perceived

will be called space and you can see that it is an

irreducible according to this definition than Matra and that is why the Akash

will be called it's interesting isn't it time is not

called tanmatra in space is because you see they are one the space and time are one Arrangements

in the memory of information I know this is very very technical so go

and watch the video of the Space again is there any philosophy Indian

philosophy which includes time as the element does anybody know because you

see nothing seems to exist without time so why was it not included as one of the

elements grav is saying shiva's drum know that drum signifies vibrations actually not Time same way the krishna's

flute and vishnu's the what is that called shell seashell many of the

deities have bad thing something which vibrates they keep it in their hands conscious

sweet is saying maybe it's the byproduct of space itself Yes actually modern science proved it they are one space and

time are not separate siddhan says space seems to be unchanging but that was again proven

Wrong by Theory of Relativity and all it has a geometry they say which changes according to gravity so it seems to be

unchanging that is an illusion even though that can be said about the time that you know there is always time when

it goes away in sleep it changes in dream there is a different kind of time in the dream because the memories have

changed the experience has changed very simple

so many things that seem to be unchanging but complete illusions

so that is asking archaeologist says say humans originated in Africa do you agree

I agree with this thing that the evidence is present in Africa that which that much we can agree on isn't it can

we say it is true who knows then the migration theory is there which is based on the genetics but if that is

controversial migration did happen but was it all from the Africa that is

controversial so I have not archeology actually they are not archaeologists they will be called paleontologists

paleontologist correctly archaeologists they are they go on up to the Civilized

time probably that is that is called archeology but when you go beyond the

civilization then that will be paleontology something like this so what

is the traditional view you know and you don't need to agree with this thing even

I don't agree but this is very interesting that different races of the humans appeared since the beginning of

the Earth this is the traditional View hundreds of races of humans have gone

through we have gone through them it is amazing is asking did humans just manifest on

different parts on Earth because conditions are right no no humus did not manifest they evolved they evolved from

previously existing animals and yes it is possible that they got extinct and

only when Gene remained when you know one species remained not one I think

probably five or six remained in the last Extinction last cycle of time and

they migrated and they mixed and why do we find so much similarity in

the human genetics there are hardly any species of humans whatever we call races

are not species because they're genetically identical very tiny difference why has that happened

like everything in the history we do not do not have any proof only imagination

only theories it happened because they all mixed with each other the humans are

much older than what your historians or you know archaeologists or all the scientists tell you they're much older

and they are mixed very well with each other the differences are where they

could not mix properly and how could they mix because the globe was always one since the beginning of the history

humans traveled a lot they are like migrating birds like these days we stay

at one place and die at that place that that was not the thing they were hunting Gathering kind of people and which meant

continuous movement especially from the north part to the South because you know

the snow happens in the north and they move every year to the South some of them stay back they go even more south

so on you see some find new lands and they move to new lands and so they mixed

with each other right now also the same thing is happening in countries where you know

they allow free you can say citizenships you will find a lot of mixture happening

like in New Zealand let us say it's a new country what are the races in New Zealand they have all mixed Now new

countries like Canada and they are mixing and it happened so quickly 50 60

70 years 100 years let us say 100 years is nothing in the history of humans when

this kind of mixture happen in 100 years given a million year or two million year

what is possible a lot is possible isn't it so this is my opinion

I have an opinion on everything and it it is always stranger than what your

schools teach that is how people on The Path of Knowledge are they are not

satisfied with the knowledge that is fed by somebody else we want to know we want

to find out so there are even more controversial theories you can say conspiracy theories that there were only

monkeys on this planet and some people came and they genetically changed them

made them into humans there is one Theory and so on you see that you will

find many you can say some paranormal or non-physical intervention was made to

make the evolution of the humans quicker and it was a kind of manipulated Earth

was manipulated to become a more you know suitable school for revolution

where the higher beings can take birth and burn out their karmic storage

like this there are theories such as in reptilian Theory I don't know reptilian but there are theories like this

and there is a kind of logical conclusion there that just like we manipulate the animals we

take the cows and the chicken and so on you see even the species of the plants

like mangoes and all we manipulate them to become better according to our

criteria of what is better and same way the more evolved species

where physical or non-physical does not matter you see everything is non-physical they must have taken some interest and

they should must have manipulated humans because it looks like you know some of

the events in the history they look like magic like appearance of bipedalism or

appearance of language appearance of ability to speak and Technology it looks

like that it appeared and suddenly disappeared then new technology appeared then it disappeared something like this

is seen in the history but I'll tell you the correct thing what is the right

conclusion that nobody knows this is the truth the truth is nobody knows only imaginary

stories are there is no point in knowing also why it is a

dream whatever you know about the dream is always falls it can be known in any

way possible what are we doing we are collectively dreaming you can say like this that this

greater memory has a dream and it simply appeared according to advaith

the dreams appear with everything in place the history is also pleased

already placed in there in the dream which must be your own experience that

when you dream in the night the scene arrives with the whole history behind it you do not doubt even for a second that

there is no history of my dream you can if you dream about your children and your relatives yes he is this much years

old so he must have borne at that point my house looks you know new so probably

this is the year number this and like this even in lucid dream you will find a history behind your scene

because Madhuri has some clip I mean screenshot it present we believe that

only one species existing in three races but they all get mixed with migration yes it is all a mixture

the race is you know divided based on totally subjective and arbitrary

criteria I was looking at a video by somebody on YouTube I think he it was

Neil Tyson of USA a very famous scientist he said in Africa itself there

are 20 races if you make a very strict criteria of race you will find in Africa

itself there are 20 races of humans like he said pygmies are the shortest and the Ethiopians are the tallest and there is

no one which is fastest there is one which is lowest one which is darkest and one which is fairest so on you see so

how is that possible only three by the way there are not three officially there are five or six so how is that possible

there is no race really there is continuation of a mixture grayscale

in India also we have so many races India is the biggest racist country in

the world the mixture of all kinds kushant is saying human mind cannot

conceive of a new thought by itself that is right why are you saying this I mean I forgot about which point did you say

that so I was saying in this dream everything comes ready made you can even say that

the future is ready made because there is no time it's a play script is written so on there are many beliefs you see

they are all wrong according to me that is what the first question was no that

what is the final result of Path of Knowledge when you are on The Path of Knowledge you must say that I don't know

at night nothing can be known probably that is what sushant is saying nothing will be

known don't even try like Gotham Buddha said don't think about all these things the Maya it will give you a headache

nothing is certain you can argue about the history you can

argue about all this you know where did humans appear and all like siddhant was asking pointless where do you want them

to appear tell me illusion is like an accountant have you

heard that joke we have little bit of time and there are no questions so I'll tell you the joke one day there was an

interview for the post of accountant so when scientists appeared in the

interview he said look according to my formulas and calculation now the question was this is the balance sheet

tell me the final value how much profit or loss scientists and look according to

formula and all this is the value and then some historian appeared in the

interview and he said according to this book and that book according to the previous past five years projections and

so on this is the truth this is the prophet and then a real accountant experienced

person appeared for the interview and he was asked what is the final profit what is the balance of the balance sheet and

he said how much do you want it to be

so Maya is the accountant how much you want it to be

what kind of History you want just tell me how many facts how many truths you

want they can be made available to you yes and what we say is Imagination was

implanted various Concepts Technologies Etc yes so it's a play you see and it is

simply time dealing discussion talk about history or future or past or this

world that will tell me what do you want it to be I'll make it for you this is the Devi saying so enjoy play with her

why don't Indians keep any history you know our history is written by somebody else the attackers in whatever history

was there was turned into stories because they knew that you know anything is possible and whatever you write as

history will be changed by those who rule so whatever history and whatever

archeology you see is actually opinions of the people who govern you that much

is certain they are based on their ignorance their desires to control people

so which history should I consider there is no need consider the present what do

I need to do in present I have appeared in this dream or the dream has appeared before me as a human form what do I need

to do now that is most important whatever these strange names and all the

theories completely useless she is asking what is the literal

meaning it's false not true some people say it's I have we have no control over what

people say isn't it and if I say something it has no importance at all just like all other people knowledge and

the truth will not come from people this is the basic rule in The Path of Knowledge do not make people your source

of knowledge find out the valid means of knowledge what are the valid means of knowledge can you tell me no

guru is also a person yes sushant is right direct experience in intellect on

Direct experiences so all these questions about what people

say and what is this and what is the meaning of this word they will be useless once you are properly on the

path so try to walk on the path systematically otherwise you will remain

trapped in this kind of ignorance forever because where do we describe what is the valid means what is the

meaning of Truth what is the meaning of Maya where do we describe all these things on The Path of Knowledge so

knowing the answer to one question or what people say will not make you

progress only systematic study so I know newcomers they have this

Scavenging habit go to one person ask one question go to other person ask another question go to this video and

get a little bit from there that is Scavenging Behavior it is not going to

make you rich earn the knowledge systematically take up a path take up a guru start

studying step by step then there is some hope so it looks like we have discussed a lot

today and there are not many questions so we'll conclude today's satsang here little bit early and I'll see you next

time thank you everybody for attending the satsang