PEOS 215 : Purification, Dream, Swan, Healing, Indoctrination, Guru, Evaluation, Death

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtJteEFeahE

 

hello and welcome to Pure experiences online satsang this such thing is an

opportunity for everybody all the Seekers new or experienced to meet and

discuss the spiritual topics especially The Path of Knowledge so if you have any

questions most welcome paramjit is asking although all the experiences are meaningless but what is

the meaning of when you feel sweet smell most of the time without any outer objects yes it is actually meaningless

and that can be due to some changes in the mind it is an illusion there is

nothing which is emitting the smell so probably some purification in the mind

that's all it is so we should let it happen and do not assume anything about

it it's perfectly okay Graham is asking how to tell the difference between a dream and natural

projection to another world it is very easy usually the dream is meaningless

has very little rules and you can change it as per your will but another world if

it is a rule-bound area it will be very regular it will be life like there will

be laws rules which you cannot change and it will be a more stable experience it can be repeated

it will be very difficult to repeat a dream again next day but if you are

visiting another world it is repeatable you will get the same world The Entity

is in your dream are simply your projection but in another world the entities will be independent they will

be real entities so these are the differences sushant is asking what does Swan

represent is the symbol used for Pure experiences yes it is a very traditional symbol and I think it represents Purity

truth and freedom and sometimes two swans are used for a symbol of

non-duality although there are two where meaning is that not two because they

look same they are identical Swan is also the vehicle for Saraswati

which represents knowledge so we have simply adopted the symbol

riyaz is asking is Reiki and pranic for self-healing allowed in The Path of

Knowledge why sad guruji give us against it I don't know what is allowed what is

not you know once you get the knowledge you can decide on your own what do you want to do

these healing practices are not a part of The Path of Knowledge they are not

the basic thing in The Path of Knowledge they are important in the occult path

where the manipulation of the illusion is the goal on The Path of Knowledge we

need to Simply understand that it is an illusion all experiences are illusory

that's all Path of Knowledge is simpler and most more basic so nobody will allow

you or disallow you there are no opinions about these things you can do

pretty much whatever you want on The Path of Knowledge except when you are

learning you should not mix the paths when you are taking guidance from the guru then you should not mix the path

once you have achieved the knowledge which only the guru will decide whether you have achieved it or not then you can

do whatever you want there are no rules here so why is sadhguru against it

I can only guess many gurus are against using the so-called powers in the world

there are some good consequences of using the powers in the world that you know the person will be healed the

person will pay you money the person will be happy you're patient and you get a lot of name and fame also because you

can touch the person and you can heal the person it's a miracle but there are then long-term

consequences of this action so what is the middle way here the middle way is

you put the guru field in between you put somebody who can approve your

actions Case by case can I heal this person can I heal that

person you know take permission before you do it so how to do that that is

another matter but once you have the permission then there will be very less consequences

is saying he told that you actually don't know what you're doing with your in his energy that is right some people

have no idea what they are doing what will be the consequence you are meddling in somebody's karmic

Journey that can be one consequence or that person was supposed to die his pre-location said that he is supposed to

die and you revived that person that is some serious meddling so what is the

difference between a Healer and a doctor the doctor does not get that much consequence you see because he is within

the laws of the Illusion in this world the physical world the laws are not

meant to be broken so that is why you should always take a permission first you should take permission from the

patient also then you take the approval from above

is this work happening for the greater good is it following the protocols of

secrecy and is it covered up nicely or you are openly doing Miracles and like

this you see so yes there is a limit up to which healing can be just like a work

of a doctor and there is a limit when you cross it it is serious manipulation

of the illusion here physical world so it can be done for you see

demonstration purposes to advance the science and so on and it can be done for

specific cases where the disease was not meant to be there but it is there and

the remedies that are ordinary that means they are within the laws they

failed that can be done in that case whether it is accidental and it can be

done in cases where the patient is innocent has no karmic fruit to be taken

there so it's Case by case is saying that people do it without this

kind of discrimination they don't use their discretion when they are healing somebody okay give me this much money

I'll do anything for you it is like this and sometimes even these astrologers are

seeing as doing that they say give me this much money I'll fix your planet's stars that is remodeling but fortunately

nothing happens in the case of astrology it is completely fake most of the time but this healing because it is more

physical in nature you see the Panic body and so on they are mostly physical so it has an effect

so everybody should use their judgment and The Path of Knowledge says nothing The Path of Knowledge tells you simply

that all actions have consequences be ready for that

there are certain rules in the society you see where the doctor does not get any responsibility of curing or if the

doctor gives an injection and the patient dies let's say you cannot handle it there is

side effect or simply dies because there is no way to save then nobody will put the doctor in the

jail if he is a registered doctor because they are given a special permission but these healers are not

given any permission probably I don't know but ayurved is recognized as a healing

method legally but we don't know about these are the other alternative healings

so their karmic load is not taken away by the society they are not immune so

what do they get they get all of it and doctors will not get anything because it is a special agreement they have the

right to meddle in the bodies of others even if something goes wrong nobody will say single word to the doctor

and same way if the responsibility is shared with the guru field you know the society won't recognize it but probably

the guru field will recognize it and they will put the limits on it but you cannot do this and that but you can

do something small harmless but usually we don't have this kind of system

nowadays so hopefully that answers the question why some gurus are against it anybody

who knows healing you know tremendous power if somebody has they will never

use it they will let that person die peacefully they sometimes let that person suffer why because it's not real

you see your death is not real you're suffering your disease is not real so use of powers implies ignorance

and probably that is why also many gurus are against it so I have my own rules

here that I allow healing and sometimes I recommend also when there is a potential in the person that patient

what kind of potential he or she can become a Seeker or can progress on the

path any spiritual path I do not discriminate on the basis of Path of Knowledge or any other they have the

potential then we get a license look we meddled into this person but that is for

the good of all because if one person progresses it is good for the whole Humanity so we have an you can say

excuse or a proper justification but normally the healers who are doing it

professionally who are taking money they are doing it for money they do not have any justification

whenever I recommend somebody for healing it has to be done without charging without taking a single rupee I

know what will happen if you if you take money from Seekers there will be consequences

one is saying so on is also supposed to have the ability to separate milk and water so a symbol of wisdom where one

can differentiate between real and unreal yes yes very good explanation yes there is another myth or you can say

story about swans is that they can eat the pearls and leave the garbage

that is the same thing to find out the essence and leave the

non-essential is the property of swans so I know this issue of healing is very

complicated everybody should consult their own gurus who from whomever they learned you know and do it Case by case

do not accept all the cases if you think that it is safe to cure somebody then go

for it actually the mother nature will give you some hints just before you start healing

there will be hints given to you that do not come here there are some cases like

this so the Healer must have this kind of sensitivity which will come with

experience sushant is asking differentiate between experience versus experiencer they are

same isn't it existence is the experience and the existence is the

experiencer experience is simply the manifested part of the existence and

experiencer is that which that which is witnessing this manifestation since the

experience is changing it is false the essence is the experiencer which is unchanging and it is you

so I don't know why sushant has this your whole program is done now you are

asking experience versus experiencer or are you some different sushant are you the same who did the program

okay not a question but in the context of Swan now that the swans do not represent anything in special you see

they are not representing the experience and the experiencer so probably I misunderstood but anyhow there is the

very very brief definition yes I realize now that probably you

already know what is experience and experience and and if you apply it on

this ones if there are two they are shown like a pair most of the time for

non-duality so you can say that one is the experience one is experiencer but I don't think it is like this anyhow

it can mean that the one is appearing as two is saying what does it literally mean

when you say look at things without your indoctrinations and beliefs how to observe everything as it is actually it

is not possible to observe everything as it is without knowledge what is knowledge the Essential Knowledge that

that is the most important step to take before you can overcome your

indoctrinations and beliefs what happens when you get that knowledge

all your indoctrination and beliefs are destroyed without it there is no way to

go beyond your indoctrination so how to observe everything as it is

actually you are observing everything as it is but there are layers and layers of

ignorance on top of it so what does The Path of Knowledge do it will remove that those layers one by

one now even though everything will appear exactly as it appeared before there won't be anything in between you

and that which is appearing that is the process so how to start you should choose The

Path of Knowledge and you should choose a guru and start following the instructions very easy it is the fastest

path if you want to take shortcuts it can be done in three or four days if you

want a knowledge in a lot more detail it can take six months it totally depends

on who is teaching some people can take years and years also because they will make you read all the scriptures in

Sanskrit and so on but we follow a very very fast method Mary is saying the existence is being

experienced through experiences yes you can see like this there are many ways to

express this thing dream and the dreamer and so on yeah he is saying I've heard you talk in

the podcast about same rule some rule law or Miracle that when the student is

ready the teacher is ready what does this exactly mean or how can this knowledge Lobby used in a useful way

should we trust the unusual coincidence to be signed from existence or what like the story of permanence Yogananda and

SRI yukteshwar yes it is often said and it must be the experience of many people

that unless you are ready for knowledge the teacher will not be seen even if the

teacher is standing in front of you and delivering the lecture you won't get it and usually the teachers recognize this

this is not the right time I cannot teach this person so the teacher waits

for the student to become to reach that state where we start seeing the

qualities of a Seeker or qualities of a student where the right questions start

appearing when the students student is in pose of surrender when the student is

sitting in a receiving course and then the teacher appears so is it a miracle it is 50 Miracle 50

effort if you do not do the effort the miracle will not happen

so there are people who are actively searching for students I'm also one of

them so how do we do the head we spread the net we simply announce look this and

this and this knowledge you will get it from here from me so do they all apply

for it no they never a thousand people listen to me only one comes asking for

knowledge the rest that is entertainment for them so we don't mind but the one

who is coming for knowledge is the one who is ready sometimes they will come for for you know some other thing family

problem in job problem money problem so on because in India Guru means is the

Google of the universe nowadays chat GPT of the universe ask anything

so the guru does not mind you see but the guru has the eyes to see who is ready and then the knowledge is given to

that person sometimes the knowledge is given without checking also then we check the effects

what happened if nothing happened if it was not appreciated well not ready

that is the trick that I use many times because I am not that you can say

Advanced to find out that the Seeker is ready simply by looking at his face or

looking at his email nowadays we do not even see people we see only emails and telegram messages so very difficult for

me there is no real life contact there is no time to interact with people like

they had this kind of luxury in the past they used to keep the student in the ashram for let's say five years and then

the guru could decide now you are ready for this knowledge now we don't have we

don't have that luxury so we have used some shortcuts yes their lives were not so fast and

there was not much struggle in their lives so even their desires were very tiny desires you see nowadays you have a

mountain of desires and they keep increasing every day because you see the new thing in the TV and you want it so

it is very difficult for gurus now so they have upgraded their net now we try

to catch people who are not even ready according to the traditional definition

I see one or two qualities and I say yes do the 3D and do the PO gay and we

simply tolerate those who are not ready it is a torture to deal with people who

are not ready so what is my score my score is uh whatever I select you know

whomever I select 10 out of two are not ready sometimes three depending on the

weather there are methods to find out who is ready and the teacher appears

then the teacher recognizes recognizes the student and the student recognizes the teacher and why is this a miracle

because for some people who are ready they can recognize their Guru instantly simply by looking at the face simply by

listening to the words of the guru or from the content of the teaching yes this is for me they know it directly and

that cannot be explained by any logical way so we say it was a coincidence

but there is an explanation that it was prelocated that was the pre-allocation

and these great people like you named they have a relationship since many many births so they are bound to meet they

were destined to meet and so the coincidence is mostly very very funny in

these cases because then the usual means need not be employed the teacher appears

directly in front of the student I'm your teacher so this is how it happens for great people for ordinary people

there is there this ordinary way to find out who is your Guru and for the

ordinary teacher there is the ordinary weight simply check experiment with the

students Renu is saying when students already mastered appears CSS

ing isn't honesty enough no honesty is not enough I can tell you that on The Path

of Knowledge there is a long list of qualities that must be there so there is

an entire video on that in our program what must be the qualities of the Seeker so that some teachings can be imparted

to that Seeker without playing hide and seek kind of thing without hitting in the dark and the

gurus prefer these kind of students because your effort is very less

it takes very less time you you can say that it is more productive more

profitable he's saying I'm talking about dealing with unprepared student with honesty it is on case-by-case basis if

some potential is seen even though the person is not ready cannot understand a

single word then the guru decides what to do with that person sometimes it is

simply taking a chance okay let us start and we'll see where it goes like this

and sometimes the cases are so hopeless that and the guru tells the student no

this path is not for you so I am the leader kind that sometimes I simply tell

the student no don't come here this is not for you actually what happens is when you tell

them directly it is my experience then they feel bad they are offended and so

we need to be polite little bit I am not that polite but little bit that look I'm

going to give you this thing or apply after five years you know something some fakeness or Lies

Sweet lies must be told to them that look you have this impurity first I am

sending you to the great Guru who will clear the impurity then I'll teach you something simple so like this you see

you need to see from the social but and psychological perspective also sometimes

you cannot do that thing and then use brutally honest so I have told that to many people what

do they do they changed their name and they come back in the satsang it is

it is a waste of time yes honesty with compassion some kind of sugar coating is needed otherwise the guru will end up

spending a lot of time on something which is not productive sometimes the students are harmed by

these things you see those who are very much involved in the illusion if you tell them this is illusion your all

relations are illusory there is no person also and their whole life is based on the delusion so they are

devastated and then we lie to them that look it is not really true this is

spiritual continue with your life the guru has a bigger Duty than simply

giving the knowledge giving the knowledge very easy isn't it record the

video let them watch the video and let them write the lessons I check them with dealing with people is something very

difficult it's very very difficult so anyhow there is a whole Guru manual to

deal with people Raja is saying can I ask about self-evaluation score here verbally sure

you can ask anything

score over here for information I had earlier given a male and a guruji

had also had seen that and he had advised me to keep the emotions at balance uh in fact this evaluation was

done in the second week of January and immediately I had forwarded to you whereas the whole process was so

happening for almost about six seven months uh wherein there was the happenings

around this Raja where was uh so much in things and

however the steadfastness in listening to guruji or following The Path of

Knowledge or practicing waking States experiments to some amount the lucid

dreaming also was on however in the past seven odd months there was a

sensation at the back which was a kind of a crawling

and earlier it used to happen that is about seven eight months back it used to happen whenever I was sitting for the

satsang or listening to the Pok uh podcast

subsequently in the last five months it had become almost a regular feature

unless until I down I lie down on my back that's its sensation would persist

so I said that what could be the cause what could be the cause and all world uh

old podcasts also I had listened and sometime it occurred to me okay let

me try this self-evaluation score and that's when I got this score and I had forwarded to you guruji

my question is even now like to keep the emotions at balance I took it that I was

quite without break I was getting into this uh seeking uh

practices so I should take a break or I should take a little uh relaxed view about it

so in the past 10 15 days I have I'm going a little slow on this I am trying

to be a bit more socially

uh engaging in fact of both years I had attended one party with the

friends but in the since one lunch so slowly I'm doing that also but the

sensation at the back it is still persisting not as it used to be throughout the day

but it is still there may I seek your advice guruji on this

yes first we'll see your evaluation it is very good I do not see major problems

but there is something strange about emotional score because it is very low

but I told you to look at the emotions are they completely dead are you not

feeling anything at all it can be a process of purification so if they remain like this for many

months or one year or two years then only we can worry about them right now I

simply check what is the quality of emotions are they going away or is it

temporary so the rest is very good spiritual is also High spiritual is as

high as intellectual it means that you have found your path your intelligence

is now directed towards spirituality instead of other Tendencies hedonistic

or tribal other things so tribal is also very low little bit low and then you

told that you are going out in the society so that will balance it no problem at all

driver is not very difficult to balance because you will need to deal with society as long as there is a body but

the emotional is very difficult to establish or you can say balance probably there are issues in the family

and so on that is why it is like this but I don't know then your body circuit tendency is high

which is showing that you want to help people which is also good

I mean my advice here is to wait and observe for a long time at least six

months you do your evaluation and you you don't even need to do the whole evaluation check only the problem areas

and see if it is improving and the only thing is if it is low it's not a problem

it should not go lower it should not become zero that shows some kind of imbalance take a long term decision

and now about your Sensations in the back so nothing to worry at all it's

very common it's very common among the Seekers and it means nothing special just like I told paramjit that it is a

result of some activity in the mind it is new to you that is why it feels

strange and this activity is usually associated with purification which will

start happening as soon as you do the awareness practice so whenever it happens you can relax let

it happen Let It Go Away nothing unusual there when should you inform me when it

becomes painful which in your case I don't think it is painful that can be called the symptoms now impurities are

so bad that the purification is causing pain so like I said that the people on

The Path of Knowledge will also experience the purification symptoms

and we experience it quickly whatever you are experiencing or whatever paramjit or other people are

experiencing they appear in other parts after many years of practice very you know using

some artificial methods of asanas and all but you can see the miracle of The Path of Knowledge the purification

begins as soon as there is knowledge this is also my experience

because purification happens automatically here you do not do much except when it has trouble it has it

causes trouble so my advice about the sensation is nobody will know why it is happening

nobody knows about the cause you must surrender and let it happen that's all can be said

if it grows beyond you know it becomes painful then only we'll do something and

right now everything is okay everything is fine continue your practice or probably you have already finished

the program so nothing more to do continue in the awareness for the rest of your life

okay you are on stage seven yes very good normally we do not keep people on stage

stage seven for long I usually issue the certificate after after launching the

person in the service field since your bodhis of tendency is good you will be

successful so keep your mind engaged in these things however you should do don't

do it too much there should not be any access like your writing blogs all day and then watching the videos all night

and that is Extreme so balance between the life and your stage seven should be

there whenever you see imbalance you should try to balance it and this tool is

simply a little bit you know helpful finding out where is the imbalance

yeah is asking can you explain the meaning behind the number in the self-evaluation it happens and that I

did just two days ago but didn't understand what the percentage exactly mean in the spiritual context

ended unless you know what are layers and what are tendencies do you know the meaning of layers and

tendencies yes so wait the basic knowledge should be

there in order for you to interpret the results or you can simply ask anybody

who knows the meanings although it is very obvious from the names isn't it

like animalistic you know what is animalistic hedonistic and all but there

is some spiritual context there for example the animalistic does not

mean that the behavior of the person is like an animal no it does not mean that it means the concerns of survival the

issues regarding the maintenance of the body and so on so it has a spiritual

context yes but the literal meaning is very different like when I say tribal it

does not mean that you are acting like a tribal person it means that your issues with the society and so on so only those

who have a little bit of exposition who are exposed to this model of layers they

will be able to understand but I think everybody will be able to take the quiz because the questions are

very easy and then you should ask an expert to find the meaning of that so

everybody's expert here those who are doing the program they are experts they will tell you what is the meaning of

that yes the interpretation will be different so your animalistic is 50

which is the problem hedonistic is 48 also a problem intellectual is 50 Seeker

is 50 spiritual very low so this evaluation shows that not ready

this person is not ready for Path of Knowledge but you see the liberated is

50 so it shows that there is a potential there is a potential but the liberated

is exactly equal to animalistic that means it will take a long time so he is

asking is the point to keep balance keep it low or high no no the point is to

progress lower layers should become balanced higher layers should become active the

lower layers must become relatively inactive but not too inactive because you see you have a body and if the

animalistic goes below let us say 20 percent or 10 percent that means the person is not taking care of the body

and that is not healthy same you see but right now your situation is that you

will need proper paths and proper guidance and you will start from a basic

point money has given a link probably it is written by money okay okay yes it is

written by money and this is a very good article to understand the evaluation I

completely forgot about the wiki because I thought when I saw the PO K I thought it is probably the program old program

yes it is also on YouTube there are videos but you see then also you will

need the basics why that model was made how that model was made recommended to

do the complete program and it will take a long time for you to clear the obstacles

many people have shown their evaluation to me and I'm very surprised because the

lowest that I find in many people is the tribal they are totally cut off from the society these Path of Knowledge people

completely sometimes it is like below 20 percent and here also Yaya is also same

you see he has 24 percent Raja is 26

percent so that is the one thing I find fascinating that people on The Path of

Knowledge do not like Society at all made some balance isn't it

so you can join the Society of seekers that is less Troublesome and then I find

one more thing that the intellectual is very high among the people who are on The Path of Knowledge

their intellectual Tendencies for many of them is the highest so this is

interesting statistics so anyhow my suggestion for yeah is also same that

look for long term first update your knowledge about what is this then as you progress you can

evaluate again after three months six months one year and if you see no progress at all the higher layers are

not growing or they are not picking up the speed even for five or six years and

that means you should leave the path that means this path is not suitable

but like I said we when we find the potential we start teaching we check

what happens so there are many people who failed on the path but you know their benefit was that they came to know

I'm not ready for this path they take another path there's nothing wrong in that but you know the the benefit of

evaluation is that we don't need to waste that much time I see the impurity and I can send them

to a proper path I cannot teach all the paths but I can guide that person this

path will be good for you and so on so anyhow those who do the evaluation

they are mostly from The Path of Knowledge because nobody else knows about about this tool so far thanks to

Muni I was not even aware that you you have written probably you told me but I did not look at it but is uh Anjali in

the satsang today so if Anjali is here please add this link in our tool

somewhere isn't it it's a good idea you add this content somewhere in a button

or a little bit of you know small paragraph those who want to know the meanings of these words and so on layers

and all they can read here or you can add the link to the videos in both Hindi

and English versions I almost forgot that people may not know

the meanings of these layers and all when we were discussing this thing now I came to know that you know there can be

people who do not know what is this layer and all so just a small introduction I think that article and

videos will be okay for many people actually this tool was made for people

who are on step number five of the program what I used to tell them is that

you know watch the videos do yourself evaluation and everybody did their

evaluation in their own style so very difficult now how to you know

standardize this thing so this program was made and we are improving it Anjali is doing

great work so guys saying my life is just miserable I

admit once my life situation gets better I think those trending sales was quite down yes yes nothing to worry you see

spirituality is not one day Affair it will it takes many years

so you're you are so lucky that you are in this field already that means the

progress is guaranteed Graham is asking do you think it is beneficial for a group of seekers to get

together and chat do you mean online or do you mean offline because we are

already doing that this this group and many group they are groups of seekers

only they are doing nothing but Chit Chat probably you mean offline here see

yes you can discuss things whenever you want in whatever way you want whether it

is beneficial or not you will come to know so it's always beneficial to

discuss the spiritual matters and some some people may know everything but they feel good that there are people who can

understand my language who can speak my language so I think it will be beneficial yes Muni saying he is asking

questions to keep you talking it doesn't matter my job is to talk

Graham is saying because there is no teacher or Guru there it still does not matter you see then it becomes a group

of seekers only there are no rules like this that nobody can meet if there is no guru no everybody can meet everybody can

make their own groups so on so yes the only thing is that anybody

who is not interested in simple chatting who wants to learn something will not go

there that will be waste of time for that person the newcomers will not understand what these experienced people

are saying okay Raja has something in reincarnation podcast it's said that an entity comes

to birth but what is your question okay the question is is death also a series of destructive processes or programs

we cannot call them programs and death is not programmed yes it is a

destructive process but it is very natural we cannot even call it destructive because nothing is really

destroyed it is simply changes into one from one from form to another form so it

is simply process of change from the ignorant point of view it is death and

destruction loss from the point of view of knowledge nothing special nothing

special is happening there what about birth that is special

that is an opportunity to know so the death is not real but the birth is also

not real it is simply change of form if the form is an useful form like the

human form it can be used what is the biggest use of the human form or human

life is to know yourself become free and then the farm is not needed when you

don't need the form when you're not attached to the form then there is no depth there is no rebirth and then this

entity is free and the free means it has the freedom to take birth also if it is

needed but this compulsion will be gone that is the result of knowledge that is

why it is important and it is possible only in the human form that is why human life is important and death is not an

issue here so here we are going to end our searching hopefully everybody got their

answers and I'll see you next time