https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtJteEFeahE
hello and welcome to Pure experiences online satsang this such thing is an
opportunity for everybody all the Seekers new or experienced to meet and
discuss the spiritual topics especially The Path of Knowledge so if you have any
questions most welcome paramjit is asking although all the experiences are meaningless but what is
the meaning of when you feel sweet smell most of the time without any outer objects yes it is actually meaningless
and that can be due to some changes in the mind it is an illusion there is
nothing which is emitting the smell so probably some purification in the mind
that's all it is so we should let it happen and do not assume anything about
it it's perfectly okay Graham is asking how to tell the difference between a dream and natural
projection to another world it is very easy usually the dream is meaningless
has very little rules and you can change it as per your will but another world if
it is a rule-bound area it will be very regular it will be life like there will
be laws rules which you cannot change and it will be a more stable experience it can be repeated
it will be very difficult to repeat a dream again next day but if you are
visiting another world it is repeatable you will get the same world The Entity
is in your dream are simply your projection but in another world the entities will be independent they will
be real entities so these are the differences sushant is asking what does Swan
represent is the symbol used for Pure experiences yes it is a very traditional symbol and I think it represents Purity
truth and freedom and sometimes two swans are used for a symbol of
non-duality although there are two where meaning is that not two because they
look same they are identical Swan is also the vehicle for Saraswati
which represents knowledge so we have simply adopted the symbol
riyaz is asking is Reiki and pranic for self-healing allowed in The Path of
Knowledge why sad guruji give us against it I don't know what is allowed what is
not you know once you get the knowledge you can decide on your own what do you want to do
these healing practices are not a part of The Path of Knowledge they are not
the basic thing in The Path of Knowledge they are important in the occult path
where the manipulation of the illusion is the goal on The Path of Knowledge we
need to Simply understand that it is an illusion all experiences are illusory
that's all Path of Knowledge is simpler and most more basic so nobody will allow
you or disallow you there are no opinions about these things you can do
pretty much whatever you want on The Path of Knowledge except when you are
learning you should not mix the paths when you are taking guidance from the guru then you should not mix the path
once you have achieved the knowledge which only the guru will decide whether you have achieved it or not then you can
do whatever you want there are no rules here so why is sadhguru against it
I can only guess many gurus are against using the so-called powers in the world
there are some good consequences of using the powers in the world that you know the person will be healed the
person will pay you money the person will be happy you're patient and you get a lot of name and fame also because you
can touch the person and you can heal the person it's a miracle but there are then long-term
consequences of this action so what is the middle way here the middle way is
you put the guru field in between you put somebody who can approve your
actions Case by case can I heal this person can I heal that
person you know take permission before you do it so how to do that that is
another matter but once you have the permission then there will be very less consequences
is saying he told that you actually don't know what you're doing with your in his energy that is right some people
have no idea what they are doing what will be the consequence you are meddling in somebody's karmic
Journey that can be one consequence or that person was supposed to die his pre-location said that he is supposed to
die and you revived that person that is some serious meddling so what is the
difference between a Healer and a doctor the doctor does not get that much consequence you see because he is within
the laws of the Illusion in this world the physical world the laws are not
meant to be broken so that is why you should always take a permission first you should take permission from the
patient also then you take the approval from above
is this work happening for the greater good is it following the protocols of
secrecy and is it covered up nicely or you are openly doing Miracles and like
this you see so yes there is a limit up to which healing can be just like a work
of a doctor and there is a limit when you cross it it is serious manipulation
of the illusion here physical world so it can be done for you see
demonstration purposes to advance the science and so on and it can be done for
specific cases where the disease was not meant to be there but it is there and
the remedies that are ordinary that means they are within the laws they
failed that can be done in that case whether it is accidental and it can be
done in cases where the patient is innocent has no karmic fruit to be taken
there so it's Case by case is saying that people do it without this
kind of discrimination they don't use their discretion when they are healing somebody okay give me this much money
I'll do anything for you it is like this and sometimes even these astrologers are
seeing as doing that they say give me this much money I'll fix your planet's stars that is remodeling but fortunately
nothing happens in the case of astrology it is completely fake most of the time but this healing because it is more
physical in nature you see the Panic body and so on they are mostly physical so it has an effect
so everybody should use their judgment and The Path of Knowledge says nothing The Path of Knowledge tells you simply
that all actions have consequences be ready for that
there are certain rules in the society you see where the doctor does not get any responsibility of curing or if the
doctor gives an injection and the patient dies let's say you cannot handle it there is
side effect or simply dies because there is no way to save then nobody will put the doctor in the
jail if he is a registered doctor because they are given a special permission but these healers are not
given any permission probably I don't know but ayurved is recognized as a healing
method legally but we don't know about these are the other alternative healings
so their karmic load is not taken away by the society they are not immune so
what do they get they get all of it and doctors will not get anything because it is a special agreement they have the
right to meddle in the bodies of others even if something goes wrong nobody will say single word to the doctor
and same way if the responsibility is shared with the guru field you know the society won't recognize it but probably
the guru field will recognize it and they will put the limits on it but you cannot do this and that but you can
do something small harmless but usually we don't have this kind of system
nowadays so hopefully that answers the question why some gurus are against it anybody
who knows healing you know tremendous power if somebody has they will never
use it they will let that person die peacefully they sometimes let that person suffer why because it's not real
you see your death is not real you're suffering your disease is not real so use of powers implies ignorance
and probably that is why also many gurus are against it so I have my own rules
here that I allow healing and sometimes I recommend also when there is a potential in the person that patient
what kind of potential he or she can become a Seeker or can progress on the
path any spiritual path I do not discriminate on the basis of Path of Knowledge or any other they have the
potential then we get a license look we meddled into this person but that is for
the good of all because if one person progresses it is good for the whole Humanity so we have an you can say
excuse or a proper justification but normally the healers who are doing it
professionally who are taking money they are doing it for money they do not have any justification
whenever I recommend somebody for healing it has to be done without charging without taking a single rupee I
know what will happen if you if you take money from Seekers there will be consequences
one is saying so on is also supposed to have the ability to separate milk and water so a symbol of wisdom where one
can differentiate between real and unreal yes yes very good explanation yes there is another myth or you can say
story about swans is that they can eat the pearls and leave the garbage
that is the same thing to find out the essence and leave the
non-essential is the property of swans so I know this issue of healing is very
complicated everybody should consult their own gurus who from whomever they learned you know and do it Case by case
do not accept all the cases if you think that it is safe to cure somebody then go
for it actually the mother nature will give you some hints just before you start healing
there will be hints given to you that do not come here there are some cases like
this so the Healer must have this kind of sensitivity which will come with
experience sushant is asking differentiate between experience versus experiencer they are
same isn't it existence is the experience and the existence is the
experiencer experience is simply the manifested part of the existence and
experiencer is that which that which is witnessing this manifestation since the
experience is changing it is false the essence is the experiencer which is unchanging and it is you
so I don't know why sushant has this your whole program is done now you are
asking experience versus experiencer or are you some different sushant are you the same who did the program
okay not a question but in the context of Swan now that the swans do not represent anything in special you see
they are not representing the experience and the experiencer so probably I misunderstood but anyhow there is the
very very brief definition yes I realize now that probably you
already know what is experience and experience and and if you apply it on
this ones if there are two they are shown like a pair most of the time for
non-duality so you can say that one is the experience one is experiencer but I don't think it is like this anyhow
it can mean that the one is appearing as two is saying what does it literally mean
when you say look at things without your indoctrinations and beliefs how to observe everything as it is actually it
is not possible to observe everything as it is without knowledge what is knowledge the Essential Knowledge that
that is the most important step to take before you can overcome your
indoctrinations and beliefs what happens when you get that knowledge
all your indoctrination and beliefs are destroyed without it there is no way to
go beyond your indoctrination so how to observe everything as it is
actually you are observing everything as it is but there are layers and layers of
ignorance on top of it so what does The Path of Knowledge do it will remove that those layers one by
one now even though everything will appear exactly as it appeared before there won't be anything in between you
and that which is appearing that is the process so how to start you should choose The
Path of Knowledge and you should choose a guru and start following the instructions very easy it is the fastest
path if you want to take shortcuts it can be done in three or four days if you
want a knowledge in a lot more detail it can take six months it totally depends
on who is teaching some people can take years and years also because they will make you read all the scriptures in
Sanskrit and so on but we follow a very very fast method Mary is saying the existence is being
experienced through experiences yes you can see like this there are many ways to
express this thing dream and the dreamer and so on yeah he is saying I've heard you talk in
the podcast about same rule some rule law or Miracle that when the student is
ready the teacher is ready what does this exactly mean or how can this knowledge Lobby used in a useful way
should we trust the unusual coincidence to be signed from existence or what like the story of permanence Yogananda and
SRI yukteshwar yes it is often said and it must be the experience of many people
that unless you are ready for knowledge the teacher will not be seen even if the
teacher is standing in front of you and delivering the lecture you won't get it and usually the teachers recognize this
this is not the right time I cannot teach this person so the teacher waits
for the student to become to reach that state where we start seeing the
qualities of a Seeker or qualities of a student where the right questions start
appearing when the students student is in pose of surrender when the student is
sitting in a receiving course and then the teacher appears so is it a miracle it is 50 Miracle 50
effort if you do not do the effort the miracle will not happen
so there are people who are actively searching for students I'm also one of
them so how do we do the head we spread the net we simply announce look this and
this and this knowledge you will get it from here from me so do they all apply
for it no they never a thousand people listen to me only one comes asking for
knowledge the rest that is entertainment for them so we don't mind but the one
who is coming for knowledge is the one who is ready sometimes they will come for for you know some other thing family
problem in job problem money problem so on because in India Guru means is the
Google of the universe nowadays chat GPT of the universe ask anything
so the guru does not mind you see but the guru has the eyes to see who is ready and then the knowledge is given to
that person sometimes the knowledge is given without checking also then we check the effects
what happened if nothing happened if it was not appreciated well not ready
that is the trick that I use many times because I am not that you can say
Advanced to find out that the Seeker is ready simply by looking at his face or
looking at his email nowadays we do not even see people we see only emails and telegram messages so very difficult for
me there is no real life contact there is no time to interact with people like
they had this kind of luxury in the past they used to keep the student in the ashram for let's say five years and then
the guru could decide now you are ready for this knowledge now we don't have we
don't have that luxury so we have used some shortcuts yes their lives were not so fast and
there was not much struggle in their lives so even their desires were very tiny desires you see nowadays you have a
mountain of desires and they keep increasing every day because you see the new thing in the TV and you want it so
it is very difficult for gurus now so they have upgraded their net now we try
to catch people who are not even ready according to the traditional definition
I see one or two qualities and I say yes do the 3D and do the PO gay and we
simply tolerate those who are not ready it is a torture to deal with people who
are not ready so what is my score my score is uh whatever I select you know
whomever I select 10 out of two are not ready sometimes three depending on the
weather there are methods to find out who is ready and the teacher appears
then the teacher recognizes recognizes the student and the student recognizes the teacher and why is this a miracle
because for some people who are ready they can recognize their Guru instantly simply by looking at the face simply by
listening to the words of the guru or from the content of the teaching yes this is for me they know it directly and
that cannot be explained by any logical way so we say it was a coincidence
but there is an explanation that it was prelocated that was the pre-allocation
and these great people like you named they have a relationship since many many births so they are bound to meet they
were destined to meet and so the coincidence is mostly very very funny in
these cases because then the usual means need not be employed the teacher appears
directly in front of the student I'm your teacher so this is how it happens for great people for ordinary people
there is there this ordinary way to find out who is your Guru and for the
ordinary teacher there is the ordinary weight simply check experiment with the
students Renu is saying when students already mastered appears CSS
ing isn't honesty enough no honesty is not enough I can tell you that on The Path
of Knowledge there is a long list of qualities that must be there so there is
an entire video on that in our program what must be the qualities of the Seeker so that some teachings can be imparted
to that Seeker without playing hide and seek kind of thing without hitting in the dark and the
gurus prefer these kind of students because your effort is very less
it takes very less time you you can say that it is more productive more
profitable he's saying I'm talking about dealing with unprepared student with honesty it is on case-by-case basis if
some potential is seen even though the person is not ready cannot understand a
single word then the guru decides what to do with that person sometimes it is
simply taking a chance okay let us start and we'll see where it goes like this
and sometimes the cases are so hopeless that and the guru tells the student no
this path is not for you so I am the leader kind that sometimes I simply tell
the student no don't come here this is not for you actually what happens is when you tell
them directly it is my experience then they feel bad they are offended and so
we need to be polite little bit I am not that polite but little bit that look I'm
going to give you this thing or apply after five years you know something some fakeness or Lies
Sweet lies must be told to them that look you have this impurity first I am
sending you to the great Guru who will clear the impurity then I'll teach you something simple so like this you see
you need to see from the social but and psychological perspective also sometimes
you cannot do that thing and then use brutally honest so I have told that to many people what
do they do they changed their name and they come back in the satsang it is
it is a waste of time yes honesty with compassion some kind of sugar coating is needed otherwise the guru will end up
spending a lot of time on something which is not productive sometimes the students are harmed by
these things you see those who are very much involved in the illusion if you tell them this is illusion your all
relations are illusory there is no person also and their whole life is based on the delusion so they are
devastated and then we lie to them that look it is not really true this is
spiritual continue with your life the guru has a bigger Duty than simply
giving the knowledge giving the knowledge very easy isn't it record the
video let them watch the video and let them write the lessons I check them with dealing with people is something very
difficult it's very very difficult so anyhow there is a whole Guru manual to
deal with people Raja is saying can I ask about self-evaluation score here verbally sure
you can ask anything
score over here for information I had earlier given a male and a guruji
had also had seen that and he had advised me to keep the emotions at balance uh in fact this evaluation was
done in the second week of January and immediately I had forwarded to you whereas the whole process was so
happening for almost about six seven months uh wherein there was the happenings
around this Raja where was uh so much in things and
however the steadfastness in listening to guruji or following The Path of
Knowledge or practicing waking States experiments to some amount the lucid
dreaming also was on however in the past seven odd months there was a
sensation at the back which was a kind of a crawling
and earlier it used to happen that is about seven eight months back it used to happen whenever I was sitting for the
satsang or listening to the Pok uh podcast
subsequently in the last five months it had become almost a regular feature
unless until I down I lie down on my back that's its sensation would persist
so I said that what could be the cause what could be the cause and all world uh
old podcasts also I had listened and sometime it occurred to me okay let
me try this self-evaluation score and that's when I got this score and I had forwarded to you guruji
my question is even now like to keep the emotions at balance I took it that I was
quite without break I was getting into this uh seeking uh
practices so I should take a break or I should take a little uh relaxed view about it
so in the past 10 15 days I have I'm going a little slow on this I am trying
to be a bit more socially
uh engaging in fact of both years I had attended one party with the
friends but in the since one lunch so slowly I'm doing that also but the
sensation at the back it is still persisting not as it used to be throughout the day
but it is still there may I seek your advice guruji on this
yes first we'll see your evaluation it is very good I do not see major problems
but there is something strange about emotional score because it is very low
but I told you to look at the emotions are they completely dead are you not
feeling anything at all it can be a process of purification so if they remain like this for many
months or one year or two years then only we can worry about them right now I
simply check what is the quality of emotions are they going away or is it
temporary so the rest is very good spiritual is also High spiritual is as
high as intellectual it means that you have found your path your intelligence
is now directed towards spirituality instead of other Tendencies hedonistic
or tribal other things so tribal is also very low little bit low and then you
told that you are going out in the society so that will balance it no problem at all
driver is not very difficult to balance because you will need to deal with society as long as there is a body but
the emotional is very difficult to establish or you can say balance probably there are issues in the family
and so on that is why it is like this but I don't know then your body circuit tendency is high
which is showing that you want to help people which is also good
I mean my advice here is to wait and observe for a long time at least six
months you do your evaluation and you you don't even need to do the whole evaluation check only the problem areas
and see if it is improving and the only thing is if it is low it's not a problem
it should not go lower it should not become zero that shows some kind of imbalance take a long term decision
and now about your Sensations in the back so nothing to worry at all it's
very common it's very common among the Seekers and it means nothing special just like I told paramjit that it is a
result of some activity in the mind it is new to you that is why it feels
strange and this activity is usually associated with purification which will
start happening as soon as you do the awareness practice so whenever it happens you can relax let
it happen Let It Go Away nothing unusual there when should you inform me when it
becomes painful which in your case I don't think it is painful that can be called the symptoms now impurities are
so bad that the purification is causing pain so like I said that the people on
The Path of Knowledge will also experience the purification symptoms
and we experience it quickly whatever you are experiencing or whatever paramjit or other people are
experiencing they appear in other parts after many years of practice very you know using
some artificial methods of asanas and all but you can see the miracle of The Path of Knowledge the purification
begins as soon as there is knowledge this is also my experience
because purification happens automatically here you do not do much except when it has trouble it has it
causes trouble so my advice about the sensation is nobody will know why it is happening
nobody knows about the cause you must surrender and let it happen that's all can be said
if it grows beyond you know it becomes painful then only we'll do something and
right now everything is okay everything is fine continue your practice or probably you have already finished
the program so nothing more to do continue in the awareness for the rest of your life
okay you are on stage seven yes very good normally we do not keep people on stage
stage seven for long I usually issue the certificate after after launching the
person in the service field since your bodhis of tendency is good you will be
successful so keep your mind engaged in these things however you should do don't
do it too much there should not be any access like your writing blogs all day and then watching the videos all night
and that is Extreme so balance between the life and your stage seven should be
there whenever you see imbalance you should try to balance it and this tool is
simply a little bit you know helpful finding out where is the imbalance
yeah is asking can you explain the meaning behind the number in the self-evaluation it happens and that I
did just two days ago but didn't understand what the percentage exactly mean in the spiritual context
ended unless you know what are layers and what are tendencies do you know the meaning of layers and
tendencies yes so wait the basic knowledge should be
there in order for you to interpret the results or you can simply ask anybody
who knows the meanings although it is very obvious from the names isn't it
like animalistic you know what is animalistic hedonistic and all but there
is some spiritual context there for example the animalistic does not
mean that the behavior of the person is like an animal no it does not mean that it means the concerns of survival the
issues regarding the maintenance of the body and so on so it has a spiritual
context yes but the literal meaning is very different like when I say tribal it
does not mean that you are acting like a tribal person it means that your issues with the society and so on so only those
who have a little bit of exposition who are exposed to this model of layers they
will be able to understand but I think everybody will be able to take the quiz because the questions are
very easy and then you should ask an expert to find the meaning of that so
everybody's expert here those who are doing the program they are experts they will tell you what is the meaning of
that yes the interpretation will be different so your animalistic is 50
which is the problem hedonistic is 48 also a problem intellectual is 50 Seeker
is 50 spiritual very low so this evaluation shows that not ready
this person is not ready for Path of Knowledge but you see the liberated is
50 so it shows that there is a potential there is a potential but the liberated
is exactly equal to animalistic that means it will take a long time so he is
asking is the point to keep balance keep it low or high no no the point is to
progress lower layers should become balanced higher layers should become active the
lower layers must become relatively inactive but not too inactive because you see you have a body and if the
animalistic goes below let us say 20 percent or 10 percent that means the person is not taking care of the body
and that is not healthy same you see but right now your situation is that you
will need proper paths and proper guidance and you will start from a basic
point money has given a link probably it is written by money okay okay yes it is
written by money and this is a very good article to understand the evaluation I
completely forgot about the wiki because I thought when I saw the PO K I thought it is probably the program old program
yes it is also on YouTube there are videos but you see then also you will
need the basics why that model was made how that model was made recommended to
do the complete program and it will take a long time for you to clear the obstacles
many people have shown their evaluation to me and I'm very surprised because the
lowest that I find in many people is the tribal they are totally cut off from the society these Path of Knowledge people
completely sometimes it is like below 20 percent and here also Yaya is also same
you see he has 24 percent Raja is 26
percent so that is the one thing I find fascinating that people on The Path of
Knowledge do not like Society at all made some balance isn't it
so you can join the Society of seekers that is less Troublesome and then I find
one more thing that the intellectual is very high among the people who are on The Path of Knowledge
their intellectual Tendencies for many of them is the highest so this is
interesting statistics so anyhow my suggestion for yeah is also same that
look for long term first update your knowledge about what is this then as you progress you can
evaluate again after three months six months one year and if you see no progress at all the higher layers are
not growing or they are not picking up the speed even for five or six years and
that means you should leave the path that means this path is not suitable
but like I said we when we find the potential we start teaching we check
what happens so there are many people who failed on the path but you know their benefit was that they came to know
I'm not ready for this path they take another path there's nothing wrong in that but you know the the benefit of
evaluation is that we don't need to waste that much time I see the impurity and I can send them
to a proper path I cannot teach all the paths but I can guide that person this
path will be good for you and so on so anyhow those who do the evaluation
they are mostly from The Path of Knowledge because nobody else knows about about this tool so far thanks to
Muni I was not even aware that you you have written probably you told me but I did not look at it but is uh Anjali in
the satsang today so if Anjali is here please add this link in our tool
somewhere isn't it it's a good idea you add this content somewhere in a button
or a little bit of you know small paragraph those who want to know the meanings of these words and so on layers
and all they can read here or you can add the link to the videos in both Hindi
and English versions I almost forgot that people may not know
the meanings of these layers and all when we were discussing this thing now I came to know that you know there can be
people who do not know what is this layer and all so just a small introduction I think that article and
videos will be okay for many people actually this tool was made for people
who are on step number five of the program what I used to tell them is that
you know watch the videos do yourself evaluation and everybody did their
evaluation in their own style so very difficult now how to you know
standardize this thing so this program was made and we are improving it Anjali is doing
great work so guys saying my life is just miserable I
admit once my life situation gets better I think those trending sales was quite down yes yes nothing to worry you see
spirituality is not one day Affair it will it takes many years
so you're you are so lucky that you are in this field already that means the
progress is guaranteed Graham is asking do you think it is beneficial for a group of seekers to get
together and chat do you mean online or do you mean offline because we are
already doing that this this group and many group they are groups of seekers
only they are doing nothing but Chit Chat probably you mean offline here see
yes you can discuss things whenever you want in whatever way you want whether it
is beneficial or not you will come to know so it's always beneficial to
discuss the spiritual matters and some some people may know everything but they feel good that there are people who can
understand my language who can speak my language so I think it will be beneficial yes Muni saying he is asking
questions to keep you talking it doesn't matter my job is to talk
Graham is saying because there is no teacher or Guru there it still does not matter you see then it becomes a group
of seekers only there are no rules like this that nobody can meet if there is no guru no everybody can meet everybody can
make their own groups so on so yes the only thing is that anybody
who is not interested in simple chatting who wants to learn something will not go
there that will be waste of time for that person the newcomers will not understand what these experienced people
are saying okay Raja has something in reincarnation podcast it's said that an entity comes
to birth but what is your question okay the question is is death also a series of destructive processes or programs
we cannot call them programs and death is not programmed yes it is a
destructive process but it is very natural we cannot even call it destructive because nothing is really
destroyed it is simply changes into one from one from form to another form so it
is simply process of change from the ignorant point of view it is death and
destruction loss from the point of view of knowledge nothing special nothing
special is happening there what about birth that is special
that is an opportunity to know so the death is not real but the birth is also
not real it is simply change of form if the form is an useful form like the
human form it can be used what is the biggest use of the human form or human
life is to know yourself become free and then the farm is not needed when you
don't need the form when you're not attached to the form then there is no depth there is no rebirth and then this
entity is free and the free means it has the freedom to take birth also if it is
needed but this compulsion will be gone that is the result of knowledge that is
why it is important and it is possible only in the human form that is why human life is important and death is not an
issue here so here we are going to end our searching hopefully everybody got their
answers and I'll see you next time
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