Universality of the Experiencer

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how to get the direct experience of

universality of the experiencer

and this

i should ask everybody because this is a

very very common question i think

everybody should know the answer and

whether monika could answer it or not

i'll tell you later

how to get the direct experience that i

am universal not something limited to

the this creature the human body human

creature human being

is there any way monica said oneness

i actually don't remember what you said

but

you already said that it is universal

but we are not asking whether it is

universal or not we are asking which

experience will

actually show it show the universality

realizing all experiences

sweetie by being the witness

see you are the witness right now also

but

will is then the experience of

universality there can be local witness

also instead of universal

actually that is what is the belief of

many people including very intelligent

people and nick is saying if experience

universality will become limited by the

scene senses thus universality is

unknowable

yes that is the point is very good here

that the senses can only

see that which is limited senses can

convey only that which is

limited and all the experience that we

are having currently in the human form

are very limited tiny very tiny so how

can that which is the whole universe

universal whole existence itself can be

shown so probably nick means that it is

unknowable through senses probably you

mean that however the universe

universality itself is

not unknowable it is unknowable if you

want to

grasp it using senses hopefully means

that

progress saying no experience can show

the universality very good

that's a good answer partic by checking

the university of experiences and direct

experience of it all other experiences

that are happening can be experienced by

this experience it is possible group

mind and many such experiments

it's a very

difficult answer vipin is saying coming

from dream to waking state everything in

dream is the experience

that is a metaphor

it cannot be called as a proof or

evidence that will be metaphorical that

is a good example that you know all the

experiences are being witnessed by one

it is possible the possibility is shown

by this

dream to waking state

transition surprising by just being it

is just being already

but then gives no knowledge

the knowledge you know the intellect is

demanding the evidence here the being is

happy as it is is being that which it is

it is not demanding anything a very

tricky question many answers are coming

nobody is telling the

basic thing

the page is saying everything is one

experience

let me see more answers somebody

hmm

people are tangled in experiences it

looks like

she'll be saying experience of oneness

oneness is not an experience

oneness is

dissolution of experience into the

experiencer cannot say oneness is an

experience

you can say knowledge of oneness

which is also very much debatable rahul

gives my true essence does not show

universality those who have done the

three day program they will

know they will know the

simple answer to this

what is the essence of the existence

you need to answer this question what is

the essence of the existence

successing bliss

blisses experiencer only isn't it the

patient saying there is only experience

we finishing emptiness emptiness is also

experiencer experiencer is emptiness

yes vinay is right experience is the

essence of the existence

existence means that which is universal

isn't it that which is only

present

so

the experiencer is the whole then it is

universal then

you need to show that the exist the

essence of the existence

is the experiencer and then

automatically it is the universe because

existence is all that is

existence is you know name of universe

or you can say

all the universes

the page is saying experience are equal

to all possibilities

at the level of non-duality you can say

but then we do not call it experiencer

we call it existence so in one short

sentence it can be said that the

witnessing ability in the existence is

its essence

just like

the

essence of a table

wooden table is wood not anything else

not the shape it takes or not the polish

or the paint of it it is the wood

if the wood disappears nothing will

remain same way the essence of the

existence is the experiencer if it is

not it is removed there is nothing then

how do we arrive at this it is the

essence because our direct experiences

existence means all the experiences

being witnessed by the experiencer

the screen that is the experiencer and

the pictures that are coming and going

is the experience

now obviously how to find out the

essence by removing that which is

changing what is changing the pictures

are the experience part is changing

remove it what remains is the screen the

experience remains that cannot be

removed you see so that is the essence

of the existence

it can be easily shown that the

existence is nothing but experience plus

experiencer that means existence is seen

as duality and it is kind of evident

that

the experience that can be the only

essence of this existence and then it is

proven then it is shown and there is one

more thing which i want to point out

every important thing

that the question is asking

how to get the direct experience of the

experiencer now remember the experience

cannot be become the experience

so that's why all these answers are

mostly wrong although good attempt was

made by everybody

but

they fell for this thing you know that

a an experiencer can be experienced not

true not possible it must be inferred

yes parthip is asking it was said that

direct experience verification not

through logic using existence yes so you

cannot you cannot get the direct

experience verification here because

there won't be any experience of the

experiencer whether local or universal

or any kind limited or unlimited it

cannot be experienced so forget about

direct experience of it and the

universal experiencer no no experience

of its possible who will get it

you are that already you are the witness

you are the experi you are the universal

experience yourself

you are the brahmana so who is there to

look at itself it's not possible

the universality

is mostly inferred but it is supported

by the direct experience you see because

these things cannot be experienced

so

it is supported by the direct experience

and the direct experience is what that

it is ever present eternally present

everywhere omnipresent

actually one of my my seekers also asked

me is that if

this experiencer is universal then why

it cannot experience

the thoughts or other experiences of a

person who is let's in the europe

so i i told her that yes it is possible

to experience anything in this

in all the experiences that are

happening

so i was viewing this question from that

angle also let's say the other person

experiences

can be known by your experiencer also if

one manages

to pay attention or you know go into the

things

so i was looking from tangle also

regarding the universality of the

experiencer which can experience all the

other experiences

hmm

some problems here in your statement

there is no my experience here okay

there is no my experience there there is

only the experiencer

so and second thing

there is a law which everybody should

note down

the law is that the limitedness of the

experience does not

conclude anything about the

unlimitedness of the experiencer this is

in the same category as the

mutually exclusiveness of the experience

and experiencer

which means experience cannot become the

experiencer and the experiencer cannot

become an experience

in the same way limitedness of the

experience does not guarantee the

limitedness of the experiencer it does

not say anything about the unlimited

nature or limited nature of the

experiencer this is the law now it is

your job to verify this law

is it even possible that

the universal experiencer through

different viewpoints is getting a

limited experience

so is it possible that it has also

become local

that cannot be proven that cannot be

shown

so

there is this

logical fallacy here concluding that

because my experience is limited

that means the experience is limited no

is not possible another

metaphor is

let us say you are standing in a room

and it has windows on all sides four

windows on four walls plus a door

obviously

so you are getting uh four views of the

surroundings let us say front window

shows

beach sea coast

the side window shows little bit of

trees for us

the back window shows your neighbor's

house you want to close it

and some other view from the other

window

so when you are facing

one window it means you are getting a

limited experience but that does not

mean that you cannot get an experience

of all other windows

through all other windows

it is possible and you are the only one

who is getting all the views

the windows themselves cannot view

anything so this is another metaphor

that the experiencer is getting all the

views the creature cannot do anything

about it it's not possible even if you

get

somebody even if you read somebody

else's thought in the europe or

somewhere

that won't guarantee the universality of

the experiencer it will only show that

there is no separation between the minds

which is a well proven actually you

don't nobody needs any evidence for this

it is mostly proven that minds are not

separated the thoughts can come from

here to there it is almost proven yes it

is not the ability of an average person

so they don't know about it every

spiritual person knows about this thing

it is everyday experience for them

now

still that is not going to prove the

universality that proves that you have

an ability that's all and you know what

happens if you get all the experiences

at once

you will need the experience whole

experience of the universal memory to

even say something about the

universality of the

experiencer and if you get all these

experiences all the

vibrations of the whole universe the

infinite amount of it first of all it's

not possible you know it cannot fit in

the local memory as a as a human being

you are trying to experience the whole

universal memory impossible impossible

anyhow

it will be blank yes

it will blank the screen will show

nothing

remember the pinhole camera metaphor

remember the thousand song metaphor that

if you play thousands of songs

through one speaker you will hear

nothing just the hissing sound

ohm

that is the real home isn't it so

all the frequencies at once

impossible to get the verification of

universality by hook or crook only way

is

logic only way is concluding

like this that the essence of the

existence comes out to be the

experiences

if anybody knows something better please

let me know because i have seen many

videos you know many videos

and they are always

not so convincing i have as many

teachers

not very convincing

but it is almost certain that there is

only one experience because you

for that you know the um scriptures are

very much clear about this that you

cannot count it

if you want to prove the multiplicity if

you want to prove more than one then you

must count it this is the mimosa you see

this is the

ancient logic there are many rules in

this logic like this you need to read

the memansa

so one of the rules is

you cannot assume the multiplicity of

things unless you count it our logic

should say there are multiple so you see

it is impossible to count the

experiencer impossible

because it cannot be experienced you see

only objects can be experienced and that

also limited objects

there are object that cannot be counted

for example the air or the water the air

is all pervading your house now if you

go to one room do you say i am in the

air number two i am in the air number

three now no there are no boundaries in

the air and that also proves actually

because when you never see the

boundaries of the experiencer that

proves that it is universal unlimited so

you see

don't try to get an experience not

not practical way

you need to use your intelligence all

the laws of the logic when they are

placed before you

you will conclude only one thing that is

the universality of the experiencer that

it is not the personal experiencer you

are the universal experiencer you are

not only an experiencer you are the

universal experiencer you are the

brahman you are the existence