PEOS 211 : Illusion, Oneness, Laws, Love, Awareness, Suffering, Silence

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hello and welcome to Pure experiences online session this satsang is an opportunity for everybody to meet and

discuss the spiritual matters and we conduct our Path of Knowledge program in this satsang so those who are in the

program they can ask their questions here clear their doubts and we do the tests exams I try to provide some

guidance to the newcomers those who are interested in The Path of Knowledge we try to provide some services to them so

all the questions are most welcome Raja is asking may I ask two questions

yes you can ask thank you very much for sharing this

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about Evolution and ignorance he was actually amplifying about

illusion is one which is Wailing the truth

ignorance is not having the knowledge about it but if

he was emphasizing that though the knowledge

about the illusion is removed still illusion sorry knowledge about the

influence is removed still illusion remains uh may I see your

clarifications on this place yes that is correct there are before and after

situations here when there is no knowledge the illusion is taken as the truth and it continues with this

assumption in the mind of the Seeker that it is the truth after the knowledge the illusion is seen as illusion it is

taken as false but it still continues as the illusion simply knowing that it is it is the

truth will not stop it so all that happened was the ignorance was removed but the existence remains as it is

so I'll give you another example here a metaphor let us say you are watching a

movie for the first time and you don't know that it is a movie it is a drama or

it is simply pictures on the screen so you continue to watch that movie as if something real is happening in the

movie when the actors cry you cry when they laugh you laugh when they're angry you

are angry this happens to everybody in childhood and somebody tells you look

this is simply picture on the screen at that time you will stop looking at the

movie as if it is true and you will see the reality of it which is it is simply

an illusion but the movie will not stop the move will continue to play as nicely

as it was playing so those who assume that knowing the illusion will simply make it disappear

they are still ignorant they don't know actual situation

what is the next question thank you the second course about this

metaphor of growth expiry was arresting to

that he was asking them will you see my face and do you see it

is moving he was also asked me that is the face moving or the screen moving could you

please explain that I wasn't able to comprehend

that right now probably I don't remember when he said that

but it is very easy the truth is that the other person is watching simply

screen the other person is watching a picture on the screen but what is he

assuming there is a person behind the screen there is a real Rupert somewhere sitting

somewhere in the same way when you see somebody when you see your relatives your house

and your office and so on you imagine you simply assume that they are real but

what you are seeing is simply your own mind probably that is the metaphor okay I'll

give you another example let us say you are dreaming in the dream you see many people you also see yourself a small

version of yourself you see all the buildings all the cities and probably your relatives and

everybody's there but after waking up you realize that nobody was there it was

an illusion but what were you looking at when you're looking at the dream you

were looking at yourself your own mind that's what so probably the metaphor was about this

that I am the illusion and I am looking at myself I am looking at my own

illusory forms that simply appear out of the infinite potential they are little

bit lawful ordered there is order in that

appearance and therefore we are fooled into thinking that whatever is appearing

is real so most probably he was trying to show

this metaphor according to my understanding thank you so much welcome

the Advent point of view is simply this that there is only you which is visually

called the existence and the existence has the capacity to observe itself but

since it has no qualities it can only observe that which is potential not real

then because it is potential it is false it is not there and so whatever is observed is an illusion because it is

simply emptiness there cannot be anything real to observe in it so it simply dreams within itself

that is also not very accurate to say we say we don't know what is happening and

there is simply emptiness which is me and there is simply a dream which is

also me and all that which is imposed on this experience and the experiencer is simply

ignorance that this thing is doing that and this part of the dream will be real

that part will be unreal and things like that and we are so much involved in the

dream that we assume that our lives are also real and we conduct Our Lives as if

they are real and nobody is disturbed by these things that it is false so it is

all perfectly set up there is nothing wrong in that it will never go away because Timeless I am Timeless the

existence is timeless no matter how much knowledge you get it will never go away because what is knowledge absence of

wrong ideas that's all it is absence by knowledge we do not mean that you

come to know something new no that will never happen you drop that was old and

incorrect that will happen yes so ultimately knowledge is simply

purification of the Mind purification of the intellect let us take another question by paramjit

my goal is Oneness how to stay with rs1s 24x7 and I understand I am the Oneness

yes then there is no need to stay as Oneness because you are already the one now you all you can do is whenever you

start thinking as if you are a person you can ignore those thoughts that's all

can be done whenever the thoughts try to convince you that I am separate I am person I am a human being that can be

dropped and then whatever remains is Oneness already and if you cannot drop it it is still Oneness there is no point

in struggling to be evenness this tendency to struggle is the problem

the problem is that that you are not one that is not the problem it is impossible to be two three four or whatever or to

be separate from the rest it is impossible what is the problem you want to do that by some method or some tricks

and that's the problem you've been actually that which you are and these thoughts that I am something

else they are unnatural they are the product of ignorance so you leave those

thoughts as soon as they rise even if you cannot sometimes they arise

sometimes we need to act in the world and we don't remember that I am the one and at the time there is no need to

struggle and there is no need to blame this body mind that it forgot to be one

even if there is forgetting the Oneness is still there so the whole problem is

struggling to be one instead of Simply accepting the Oneness

so we don't need any practice we need only surrender no practices are needed

you need to convince yourself about the knowledge verify the truth of it and

then be naturally in this knowledge whenever this made up Falls pretension

of being the human or being a form being the body mind when these thoughts starts

clouding you you can slowly gradually smoothly come back to knowledge which

means nothing be nothing be silent be in the Bliss that is all you can do

siddhant is asking what do you think about law of conservation of energy it

says that you cannot create the energy you cannot even destroy it or more

precisely it says that in a closed system the total energy will remain constant it can be distributed here and

there can be changed form can can change forms heat can become electricity electricity can become heat but the sum

total of this number will remain the same now how to interpret it from our

perspective what is energy it is simply change the amount of change measure of

change now can you create change no it is already there can you destroy change

no whenever you do something to destroy something all you are creating is change

when you are trying to create something from nothing you are actually changing it which means there must be some change

before you try to make the change appear only change can make another change

appear and only a change can make one change disappear you see how logical it is so the change

is already there it can be converted into various forms the same change which

we call vibration appears in many many forms from heat light electricity

thoughts objects everything is simply vibration which means change and no it

cannot be created will not be destroyed so it is perfectly in agreement with our

model and obviously the scientific model is perfectly correct

the only problem is that the materialistic model assumes that in the

beginning big ball of energy was created it appeared out of nothing there is the problem they don't know

but you know the conservation law cannot break in the beginning of the universe

otherwise it's not law so that that has happened because they think everything in terms of time what

kind of time linear time that it must have started somewhere but no the existence has no start and it has no end

time is an illusion that is that simply appears in this existence so we are still teaching this caveman

kind of science to our children in the school which is simply a disaster when

we have much better models now so yes energy if you translate it into

change or vibration will produce the same laws yes

now there are some people who will think that look the laws do not change so that

is true if the laws do not change that means according to our definition they are true so one day we discuss this

thing in detail probably there is some some podcast episode somewhere that the

laws apply to the mathematics the laws simply describe the illusion using

mathematics and they describe only that which is not random which is ordered and

they describe only that part of the illusion which we are capable of experiencing

it will happen that the laws especially the laws of the Mind laws of the memory

they cannot be broken but that still does not make our experience real

for example there are laws in a video game there are laws in a movie and there

are laws in the dream also very less but they are there but that does not make

the video game and the movie in the dream real so presence of the laws does

not guarantee reality why are they not changing then because

the constitution of the mind is like this that it is made like this and it is operating under these laws and so the

laws appear to the mind as unchanging but it is equally possible to have an

experience or a world where there is totally different set of laws it is

possible existence is infinite potential and it is possible to have many worlds where there will be different set of

laws yes those laws will remain the same in that world but as soon as you move to

another world you will find totally different laws but you will still find laws because the order is the law and

the law is the order without the order there is no meaningful experience and

this order is called the law by order I mean the opposite of disorder

opposite of Randomness so if every world has its own laws are the laws true so in

a small area of the memory Universal memory you will find a set of laws that

never change that never seem to change but as soon as you switch to another area in the memory you will find another

set of laws and actually you don't need to go that far when you take the small part of the universe you will find

different set of laws are applicable when you take a large part of the universe you will find the different set

of laws are applicable ultimately you will find there are no laws because you will see that the

conservation of energy is applicable only in a closed system but the universe

is not a closed system that is the problem in this law it is simply assumed that the universe is all there is that

is the materialistic point of view it is not a closed system and unfortunately we don't have any way to find out these

things right now we don't have any experiments to verify that the universe

is not a closed system so next question is by weapon everything is projected which is the Brahman but

how to feel love with everything there is no need the definition of Love Is that

everything is one it does not mean a feeling or emotion there is no need to

feel it there is no need to have any kind of emotions about it as soon as you know everything is one

your actions will be loving by default automatically your actions will become loving because somehow you cannot

harm your own Parts you cannot harm yourself so again there will be purification of

the intellect here no appearing of strange emotions or feelings no in The

Path of Knowledge that does not happen simply disappearing of stupidity happens which is hating everybody unnecessary

violence unnecessary selfishness you see a little bit of hate is needed a

little bit of violence is needed for protection self-protection and a little

bit of selfishness is needed otherwise this creature will not survive but when I say unnecessary that means doing that

in ignorance which is more than needed and needed action that will stop

there is no need to like shower in the love all the time that is unrealistic

expectation just be in the awareness that is much better than being in some kind of feeling which comes and goes

false feeling we in the truth that is the teaching so those who are expecting that you know

some kind of positive change will happen simply because I am the Brahman no because you were the Brahman before also

the only positive thing that happens is ignorance is gone now whatever is happening is perfectly okay it was

perfect before it is perfect now so everything is when does not mean that

we love everything it is impossible it means we accept everything as it is

acceptance not some kind of feeling is asking what can we do when the

knowledge is understood intellectually and logically but the body doesn't believe it I had

some success being in the witness and I know and know myself as just Consciousness for extended period of

time the fourth part of Pop program was enough to make me live this truth in the

presence of experience all of my body and emotions were absorbed in the snowing it was the realization for deep

within inside out after that so the body has low intelligence of this kind the

body only knows how to survive how to grow how to reproduce and that is perfect it should be like this you are

trying to impose the intelligence of the higher layers in the lower layers that

is the problem this is not the problem that the body does not believe it or the body does not

react in some special way to what you know that is not the problem the problem is the expectation that somehow the

knowledge will do some kind of miracle and the body will start doing something else it will still become hungry it will

still become tired it will still become old and it will die so my suggestion is to be in the

knowledge in whatever way you can emotions they need to play thoughts they need to come The Unwanted will be gone

like I said if you are in Awareness then wanted will be gone and when you are saying knowledge is

understood intellectually no the word intellectual means that somebody told you something and you

don't have any experience behind it that is the meaning of the word intellectual but whatever knowledge we get on The

Path of Knowledge is experiential so that is the problem the thought is

still there that nothing is appearing in the world because I know something see it is already like this whatever is

shown is the current experience only nothing unusually shown the knowledge is from your current experience so there

will be a tendency in the mind to think that nothing unusual happens so it cannot be true it can be only

intellectual but actually in the three-day program or in in The Path of Knowledge program also

all that is shown to you in front of your eyes is your own experience and this experience is evaluated through the

intelligence what kind of intelligence that is purified of Notions assumptions

imaginations indoctrination we leave that out and we see things as they are

so nothing intellectual is given on The Path of Knowledge actually the intellectual knowledge is simply

collection of facts data which is given in your school and colleges no experience behind that knowledge

you know your first first president was this your third president was this and this king killed so many people and they

call it knowledge it is simply facts which are stored in your mind and people are very quick to believe

that that is the true knowledge but if I am showing that that which is in front of their eyes they call it merely

intellectual so what can be the reason of it there is some impurity that means the old

thinking is still there that something needs to happen something unusual needs to happen in order for my experience to

become real knowledge no if it is true it is true now it was true before and it

will remain true after this nothing unusual needs to happen nothing needs to happen to the body to the mind to the

world and he's saying now in the state of Truth all the body believed the

knowledge the body has no belief mind has beliefs beliefs are wrong thoughts

so probably a little bit of ignorance is still there that the body can believe something or the body reacts to the

knowledge probably because of the knowledge there was a silencing of the

body mind which is natural it comes in a state of bliss because a lot of load was

thrown away a lot of Burden was dropped so for few days it can it may seem like

a different kind of experience for example when you carry a big weight on

your shoulders when you put it down you feel relaxed same way there can be a psychological effect of clearing of the

impurities but that does not mean that the knowledge is intellectual and it needs

to happen all the time that side effect need not happen all the time the way the

body and the mind is right now is perfect if anything unusual happens in it that is the problem that means there

was some impurity there was some change there was some clearing somewhere something broke in the mind because it

was you know long ago it was stored and solidified so that can cause a little bit of side effects but expecting that

these side effects will last for the life and that only signifies knowledge that is the sign of knowledge that is

ignorance that cannot be called intelligent conclusion Layla is asking is love acceptance yes

you can say like this that I am one there is only one and that one is I am

and in spite of all the differences all the variety and all the con all the you

can say confusion going on in the world it is me so it's it's fine actually when

we accept like this that can be called love it it is actually called unconditional love in spirituality we do

not use the word love so much we use surrender and conditional surrender and

conditional love because we are not asking the world or the people to change in any way we are

accepting everything as it is saying that it is me only appearing in various forms now will that mean that we stop

doing that which is necessary no if you see cockroach in your kitchen it is me

yes but you need to kill it unconditional you see you see your enemy who has attacked your

country and he is hungry and sick you need to save his life unconditional

do that which is needed this is the real love and what is the distorted form of

love asking everybody to behave as you please you want something and that must

happen all the time that is called madness not love there is some mental

issues with that person do this because I love you you must have seen this or if

you don't do this I will not love you this is called conditional reflex the

creature is simply trying to survive by saying these words I love you either

history he or she is trying to get something from the others or they are trying to protect themselves or

obviously they are trying to reproduce little bit of security little bit of pleasure and that is called love in the

human world but in the spiritual World simply accepting everybody as they are and

doing that which is necessary you see just like the mother if you are a mother you'll understand this that you accept

all your children as they are but sometimes you punish them to make them

behave properly that is also love you are not going to perish somebody else's child to make him behave properly

because no concern there somebody else's child so punishing violence is also a

part of the love now it is very tricky for those who don't do not have knowledge very tricky for those who have

knowledge because what do what is your conditioning that after knowledge a

Seeker should become like a saint should not become angry should always be

loving if somebody slaps him he should you know show his other cheek slap me here also that is your brainwashing by

the society yes there are people like this you know one in a million will be like this but

not practical you see that kind of love is not practical so I

am a big fan of Krishna he killed left and right when it was in the it was needed and he loved intensely when it

was that was needed he did everything that a human is capable of doing so yes

there can be other forms of me who are simply silent and praying and somebody runs a road roller on them and they do

not say anything there's a possibility but that is not really The Path of

Knowledge here we are practical we know what is love we we have accepted it everything is my own part my own form

and still we use intelligence to act we do not have disrespect for the

saintly qualities but we know that they will arrive at the right time when you will leave this world not before before

you need to survive little bit minimal we do the minimal to continue in this

world and this world is a dual world all good and bad will be here and we accept

that also there will be make sure it cannot be all good because it is there is Duality it is based on the vibration

so vibration is both positive and negative vibration means it will go in One Direction then it will go in another

Direction like a pendulum and that is also me I am the good and I am the evil I am the saint and I Am The Sinner

everything is me and this kind of attitude is called unconditional love

surrender acceptance so let go of your conditioning about

what these words mean and check your experience you need not behave in a way

which people have prescribed they don't know anything you need to behave from your knowledge what does your knowledge

say I am one but the play is going on like this it is all false the

multiplicity that you see is all false so if somebody is behaving nicely

it is false nobody is nice somebody is behaving badly false nobody's bad and

this machine the body mind will react accordingly if it wants to love somebody

like you know emotional physical way it will do that if it wants to protect defend it will do that that is also

false that is also an illusion that is a part of the dream what can you do you can minimize this

access do not do it in Access that much can be done you see it cannot be stopped

like you said you know the Maya does not go away simply because you know it is Maya all you can do is stop the

stupidity which was happening before the knowledge you cannot stop the illusion but you can stop acting stupidly in the

Illusion in an irresponsible way that is possible for a human we cannot change the illusion it's not possible because

there is no doer here it will change itself that is what we know so the good will not remain good and the bad will

not remain bad knowing this fully you accept everything as passing impermanent

that will bring peace in your mind and that is the real treasure it's a

bliss peaceful internally being peaceful internally is that is your earning from

The Path of Knowledge otherwise you'll never get anything like he was saying the body is not behaving as I want it no

are you behaving as you want it you are peace yourself you are bless yourself is

this being reflected in your mind in your actions then the knowledge has done its job

so there is a line between taking everything literally and applying

it in the life and thinking intelligently and improving things in

the Life which were imbalanced in you that's all you can do where do you want to draw the line it is

your choice you can do it to the extreme and then you will get the fruits of it yes if you don't do anything at all you

know you remain as solid as a rock even after the knowledge has happened that is

also not good so we do whatever is possible you see for this creature depending on the desires if you have a

very intense desire to change something in the body and the mind yes go ahead and do it it's not going to make any

difference you see your criteria should be is it producing suffering yes change it is it producing

happiness sorry it is neutral don't do it don't do anything about it don't fix

it if it is not broken this is the law it is perfect as it is

the only thing the creature wants is freedom from suffering otherwise it is

already free from All Points of views and the suffering is caused by simply ignorance not because the situation is

bad because the people are bad because the body is not as you please the suffering is because of ignorance you

change this which change that much which makes the makes

the suffering disappear there is nothing more to do everything is beautiful everything is perfect

suffering is the problem and that is the problem only for this creature not for the experiencer not for the Existence it

is completely in acceptance you see when I say my nature is love can't you

see that I am completely in acceptance the experiencer never rejects any experience and it does not want any

special kind of experience so it is already unconditionally loving that is by true nature

so the only problem is the suffering that is created in the mind and that is because of not knowing my true nature

otherwise the suffering is an illusion we don't even want the bad illusion we want only good illusion yes act wisely

that's all you see wisely does not mean a specific kind of behavior it is not a commandment wisely

means use your knowledge use your intelligence and depending on the circumstances do your best it is very

simple jayesh has a question I have a little personal question I recently lost

someone dear to me probably more than my parents there wasn't any attachment any

bondage any obligation to look after them love is all there was now after this information and knowledge about

life world people will you know yes go on what is the question there is still

some sort of suffering you don't want even that much suffering so look at the nature of this suffering you are saying

after all this information and knowledge the information does nothing you need to have proper experience so if you do not

have this conviction then I am Bliss and there is no such thing as death and all

that you learned all that you heard from teachers gurus from books

if there is no conviction if you have not verified it yourself then there will

be two parts in the mind one will say look this is the reality There Is No

Death and I am peaceful I am Blissful but the other part will say look there

was a loss I'm not getting that which I wanted I lost somebody whom whom I loved

and that somebody was real and this one who wanted that person who is real you

see these two parts are there now is this a good condition no there is

suffering yes because the knowledge is not absorbed completely it is still at a

level of listening only you heard it from somebody but probably you did not realize it the meaning of the word

realize it to make it real realize how to do that with your own experience and

with your own intellect now it will happen that sometimes you will forget the knowledge that is why we have the

awareness practice so probably you're not doing that and even those who do the awareness practice they forget to do the

practice and the old Tendencies they start running in the mind that is actually suffering so the root cause of

this problem is that you are not in on the path you are not on the proper path you are not walking systematically

so probably you heard one or two things but that is all that has happened you

see the heart pan comes in the picture again after touching the hot pan you will never repeat it you will never

touch it because it is real the hot pen is real and will you complain that no matter

what I do I go and touch the heart pen again and again every day I touch the heart pen if somebody says don't touch

it I go and touch it will you see like this never because the experience was real for you that you got burned by the

heart pen was a real experience it is impressed your memory and you always remember it

in the same way who you are should become a truth for you otherwise this

practice is of no use if you don't know who you are what are you trying to be aware of and if you're not doing any

kind of systematic work if you are not walking honest on any spiritual path if

you don't have any teacher any Guru then yes this whatever you heard will remain

as information like he said intellectual knowledge yes you've never seen it and this kind of questions will be there

that I know everything but still I keep doing the same things so what does it say either the first part should be

wrong or the second part should be wrong if you know everything you should there should be automatic stopping of all the

suffering or these all these actions and if the suffering is still there that

means the knowledge is not there or you are forgetting it even if you realized it you're not making any effort to

remember it or to put it into use in your everyday life

yeah she's saying I'm having a hard time realizing I use this losses trigger for awareness practice but before this I was

quite content maybe this suffering will take me to knowledge see it looks like that you have devised your own practices

in your mind which will do nothing those who think that by doing this I'll use this law as this figure for awareness no

it does not work like this all you need to do is follow the instructions walk on the paths if you're interested in the

paths and if you cannot then take something else creating your own practices assuming

that this will do this that will do that because I know everything it's not intelligence so only Guru can take you

to knowledge the suffering takes you to the guru you see there are millions and trillions

of people who are suffering do they become knowledgeable do they realize their true nature no the suffering wakes

them up a little bit probably that which I was doing is not good now let me find

somebody let me find the answers so just like I said this path is not for you try

something else that is my instruction also try something else purify your mind a little bit and then you can return to

The Path of Knowledge there is no problem here you know some things work for some people some

sometimes they do not work for everybody so do not waste your time do something which works which is suitable for you

where you can learn something and if you cannot learn anything simply try to live a good life

yeah you're saying can you mention what are some simple practices for awareness yes a full practice routine is given in

the program can I simply tell people to do it and they will do it no you need to

go through the whole program step by step that is necessary you need the knowledge using the knowledge of what

you are first then you need the knowledge of what you're not so that you do not confuse it with your with

yourself and once all these things are revealed awareness is possible

so that is our technique the technique is step by step disciplined and what is

the expectation of an average Seeker that some kind of Miracle should happen and I'll become I'll come in Awareness

by chanting this Mantra or by worshiping this deity or something like this you

see or doing a mechanical robotic exercise of some kind that is not our

path we go very very systematically and then routine is given for both

meditation awareness purification wherever there are impurities that that

need need to be purified and then a little bit of awareness shows up in this lifetime

this is how it is knowledge takes no time but this creature does not really

want it there are lots of resistances obstacles impurities and then a little

bit of awareness arrives so yes lifelong practice is needed and that is your

choice if you want you can remain as you are naturally no practice is needed like

the hot pad example automatically you will do the right thing automatically there will be awareness

like there is a old story about The Lion and the Sheep so the lion was told only

once that you are the lion he kept practicing all of his life to remain

alive no you see the Superman needs to know only once that he is Superman and

he can do whatever he wants for the rest of his life he can use his superpowers so why do we need practice then there

there are some impurities you see normally we don't need that kind of strict practice it is simply remembrance

bringing back the Mind into knowledge again and again and again to undo that which it was doing before and that that

takes a little bit of practice but just like the lion you don't need to do that

that much if the lion gets a thought in in one day that probably I am the Sheep I need to eat grass

and there is the practice you see don't think like this is the practice

become aware how these thoughts are coming they are just old programming old

habit that matches the practice what can be more simple than that but yes we have

made it a part of the program those who are interested in going through that program will see the

benefits don't be the Sheep this is the practice don't be the ordinary man be a Superman

now some people you know they're not convinced that the practices can be so simple yes they are so simple so for

those people who cannot believe that the practice is so simple spiritual life is so simple it

does not even take intelligence for them I can make a convoluted practice no

problem at all you get up in the morning stand on your head and run for five

kilometers enchant this Mantra and then repeat I am not the body I am not the mind I can make it so complicated

finally they think it is doing something and that has happened for many many paths that are not based on knowledge

all they have is practice and those who are practicing they don't know what they're practicing you can see that kind

of drama happening in the land of sewage spirituality people don't know what they are doing knowledge comes first then comes

establishing in the knowledge which is very very simple so I have given you three

um three Alternatives you can simply be what you are as much as you can join the

program and do that kind of routine practice or I can give you something so complicated that it will become another

struggle for you yes the end of spiritual path is the noble knowing sir ultimate truth yes you

don't need practice really that which is practicing is an illusion will become dirt so what is the real practice on The

Path of Knowledge live a simple joyful fulfilling Pure Life that is the

practice these words the mindfulness the

awareness in this and that samadhi they are invented for people who cannot

live a simple life who are not peaceful enough they are given this kind of placebo medicine they have too much

energy probably cannot live a simple life cannot be silenced and we cannot

force the silence also the silence is the final achievement of

a Seeker not awareness so if we give them something we keep

them engaged and we say yes you are doing good you're walking on the path now with what the guru is doing is Guru

is simply waiting for that person to stop it's like the Petrol in the car when it exhausted the car stops finally

so this practices are simply given to burn the petrol which is which we call

the prad we keep them engaged yes do this do that you will be happy

you will be immortal you will become a God Like This Will I we lie to these

people that this will happen that will happen then which you are has already happened

what will happen is pure illusion it is all false reduce the Mind likes the

Falls more than the true this truth is boring so why not so like I said the

illusion will continue now what what to do this Tendencies are turned into that

kind of Direction they are given a direction where you can keep doing whatever you want you know whatever

practices you want and still remain on the path and I have seen that the awareness practice is the best because

you are the Mind thinks I'm practicing something it is going to do something very very nice to this creature and on

the other hand there is always a remembering of who you are you see two

words one stone so that is why we have also adapt adopted this practice of awareness

because people always demand practice even if they know that it is not needed

you know many people are telling them that this is not needed only knowledge is enough just verify it thoroughly

convince yourself remove your doubts completely and nothing will be needed

they know all these things but still probably I'll forget this thing probably

I'll forget who I am I am probably my Guru will stop talking to me if I don't do anything spiritual

what is spiritual you need to learn these things because there is a little bit conditioning there

there's still some conditioning which is manifesting so I can see this and then

it is given some some dose is given some kind of proper instrument is given which

simply fixes this and normally we cannot fix these things so we simply let it run

till it stops so you can stop ah if you want

like papaji used to say you know you if you watch the videos of papaji he says

you know who you are yes then the person starts talking you know but look this is

happening that papaji used to say keep quiet now keep quiet you know who you are now keep quiet no no I need to go

here in this temple in that pilgrimage and this ashram this Babaji and he used

to say keep quiet that was his practice he never even said be aware like I keep

saying being awareness use the knowledge he did not even say that he said stop

talking now stop doing so when I heard him I thought what kind of stupid practice is that don't do anything keep

quiet what kind of boring life is that and now we understand that he was not

saying that you don't do anything you become inactive inner person he was

saying stop seeking stop getting entangled in the illusion again and

again are you convinced yes now keep quiet why are these people talking so much you

know they have video channels I mean the YouTube channels their videos they write books and all is that really keeping

quiet no I mean why is there an action can somebody tell me is saying to keep the

Mind constructively engaged yes good answer it just happens they don't do it

unless there is full knowledge the existence wants existence to know it is just existence yes that is also possible

it is human tendency to tell everybody that I know something and it can be a

practice also the guru says go and teach right because probably the guru knows

this person will never see it quietly so like I said some direction is given

to the Mind instead they think not to fall back in the Trap of Illusion yes this is some kind of practice

so will you come to know if all the gurus simply sit silently won't tell anything

to anyone won't even write will you come to know the silence which you are

when I saying action is there because there is desire that is what I was saying there is a lot of energy isn't it

from the Oneness and love also yes it is a form of love also in the tasting I believe it is possible

in some cases energy is saying because it's necessary yes it is necessary if you see you came to

know that I am the silence because somebody spoke to you he was not silent

he told you this thing he wrote the book he made the video so it is a kind of

sacrifice in my opinion that the guru breaks his silence so that the student

can become silent yes to help others to serve this is called The Compassion love like he said

kindness so this is something more than simply exhausting your burning up your

energies desires something more than giving a direction to the mind and this

is real thing now and that is why nothing is asked in return it's only given

and the gurus saying that yes I can live my life peacefully others are just

delusions although they are my forms but ultimately there is no knowledge and

they just don't know this so that is not a big deal in this universe there will be billions and billions who will always

remain ignorant so why should I do it the guru can say like this but what is

the tendency there which is called the bodhisattu tendency that if if I can remove ignorance from one person my life

will be fulfilled this is the tendency so when there is a fire in the grassland

you must have seen this big Hills where there is nothing but dry grass and

sometimes they catch fire what do we do to stop spreading of the fire we burn a

little bit of grass around the hill that's all we do so the burned grass does not catch fire and the fire stops

it's a very good technique so the fire stops the fire and it's in the same way

the speech on the action stops the action makes you silent

now everybody's not told to teach because we do not observe this kind of

tendency in them very few people have this kind of tendency the rest they want to be silent peaceful but many they want

to practice so yes why not practice our goal is to become free from

practices not to do them and the practice is always like this especially

on The Path of Knowledge which frees you from the practice it will be always like this in the upper respect is same

ultimately it becomes your second nature which means you become habitual of it and there is no need to do it unlike

other practices sit down this thing can you say that the whole universe is one single organism

you can say that as a metaphor what is an organism you know there is

birth there is growth there is some activity it does something then there is

death and look at the universe you don't need to look at the whole of the universal memory just simply look at the

physical Universe it appears it grows evolves it does something who knows what

then it disappears so as a bar So Below same thing is happening at all the

levels probably we don't know about the two you know beginning and the end of it but we

can guess we can use the logic because it is changing that alone is a

confirmation that it will disappear and because it it will disappear that alone is the confirmation that it appeared how

and why is not important so that which is the tiniest is doing exactly that

which is the biggest same thing and we know what is that God what is that say one word for this thing that is called

survival so metaphorically everything is doing the same thing they are dancing the same

dance small memories doing that the big memory is doing that and the universal memory

is doing that no difference but what happens is

start calling the universe as organism and then the ignorance in the people

will say that look because the universe is organism now the universe can be good

it can be bad it will think like this it will do like this why did the universe

create create all these relatives and you know why did the universe create

this kind of job or this kind of country and now you know what happens this is madness

so we'll never say like this and the whole thing is an organism because those

who don't know the meaning of the word organism they will try to use their limited understanding to know what it is

and that will be very very wrong picture they will try to impose the qualities of

an organism on the universe and the organism is whatever they see around them people or creatures or whatever

para human some kind of big human in the sky so that is why this is a dangerous

word the word organism means something which is organized we don't know how whether

the root is the organ organization or the whether the root is the organism or

the organ but yes the whole universe is organized no problem call it organism

is saying is information about the background of a student is past experience is helpful for spreading the

knowledge sometimes it is necessary but most of the time all you need to do is

whether that student has accepted the path and whether the student is ready to

listen to the teacher that's all we need to know and we can proceed if he has

done so many practices in the past so many parts and all we don't really need to know because The Path of Knowledge

will wipe out all that totally unnecessary if that fellow was on The Path of

Knowledge and did not succeed then we can still try once more you see once

more we can do something try to find out what happened but usually the background

is not so important like look at the guru he is eager to remove the ignorance

now there cannot be any excuse that this fellow has no background or this person

has some kind of different background he is not suitable we cannot say like this

we simply try we do our best look this is the experience this is the

experiencer this is the illusion this is the existence and we provide all kinds of evidences we show all the experiences

we can show and we hope that that person will adopt the path that will be

fruitful so you must have seen this in the 3D the 3D program we simply start talking we do not ask for the prior job

experience and which Guru you visited in the past very rarely you see sometimes it happens

that the person is not getting even one sentence of what I'm saying and then we need to you know curiosity is there why

what happened here why is there such a big disaster here

sometimes then we want to know why are you like this cannot understand I am not a chair I am not a table what is wrong

with you then we ask what did you do or sometimes he is asking some other

questions you know how to turn the stone into gold no you are the experiencer focus on this try to

know what you are no no how to contact the ghost my father who died and then we

need to ask some questions you see do you still want to know or do you still want to

see your father something like this yeah we check the background usually we don't need to take it ninety

percent of the time those who contact me or the other teachers here they have a clear will to know otherwise they don't

contact it's highly boring for these people it does not really matter matter what

the student has done in the past if he is ready to receive the knowledge and we are not trying to change the past we are

not trying to fulfill their expectations what are we trying to do we are trying to seed the knowledge look this is

called knowledge this is how it looks this is what we do in The Path of Knowledge that will be a seed thing

so we simply assume that this person is raw blank slate and we try to see this

knowledge we try to make an impression in this memory which is blank and this

also helps the teacher to concentrate more on the knowledge and less on on the paths that the person was on you do not

assume things like somebody can say I've read all the scriptures now tell me the last thing

there are people like this so we always start from the beginning we do not even

ask how many scriptures you read because then the teacher can become biased probably he knows everything about the

Mayas I'll simply give him the knowledge of the Oneness it is possible like this we can take shortcuts

sometimes when we come to know that the person already knows but we don't really know simply because the student has said

that I know it does not guarantee it and we do not have enough time to take a

test there to conduct an exam there so we continue the scripted program it is

scripted all this is done for some good reason you see it's not a shortcoming of

the program The Script runs like this without asking anything any background

or anything and we do not give them any expectations also like nowhere in the program we

mentioned that you will become this or you will become that nothing like this no promise so in short the desire is the

criteria and how much they want the knowledge is the criteria not what they have done so far

so it looks like there are no more questions today and we have reached the

end of the meeting thanks everybody for attending today's satsang see you next time