PEOS 206 : Knowledge, Worlds, States, Body, Guru, Path, Tantra

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hello and welcome to Pure experiences online satsang this satsang is an opportunity for everybody to meet and

discuss the spiritual matters especially regarding The Path of Knowledge those who are new they are given some guidance

and we conduct our program from the satsang those who are who are in the

program and they can get their questions answered doubts cleared

so all questions are most welcome is asking a storm spark same as the

astral world's projected states that ishirpuri speaks about it is not a state it is a world there is a difference

between states and worlds all the differences only technical so just like

you are in a world right now there is a body and there is a state that is called The Waking state it is possible to

create another world another body and that will be called another state we call it the projected state

there is one thing that should be kept in mind that there are only states there

are no worlds or no bodies so you must have seen in the program there is a drawing which shows that the layers

extend into the universal memory and these these extensions are called the

worlds and then the layers are seen by the senses present in the layers as a

body the sum total of the senses is perceived as coming from a point and that point is

assumed to be knee and this is the phenomena that is happening in all the worlds all the

states and you can see it right now also it is assumed that I am here inside the

head as the center of all the senses what is the center of all the senses the

brain but that is an illusion it is not true because if the senses are moved

somewhere else and the dominant senses they are moved into the other parts of the layer layer means the body because

layer is projected as a body then that person will assume that I am there

suppose all your senses are moved in the feet then you are going to assume that I am somehow located in the feet so that

is an illusion the real you is the screen on which all this scene is happening and the main thing to note is

that the witness or The experiencer Remains the Same in all the states

this is the founding statement of spirituality what is it that does not

change when the states change and the ancient people they found it out that is

me that is the experiencer if there were no State changes let us assume that the

state did not change it always remained in the waking State more or less then there won't be any spirituality there

was no possibility of any spiritual knowledge the illusion is so convincing that we would be born in the solution we

would die in this illusion fortunately for us the layered structure

goes through different states and there is the opportunity to see what does not change when the whole body whole world

whole personality all the people all the entities all the past all the future

changes right in front of your eyes but you don't your true nature Remains the

Same witness experiencer Atman just because this happens spiritual

knowledge becomes possible otherwise there was no way to know who am I there was no way to know that this existence

is the witness and if the states did not change there was no way to know the layered structure also and you can see

that those who are not so evolved those who are not spiritual who are completely material what do they assume they assume

that they are the body they are in inside their heads somehow created by the brain and the world is real there is

only one reality which is this world the Earth and this is not only found in West this

is the dominant view in the west because of poor development of spiritual Traditions but this is also very

commonly found in India and other Eastern countries and that is because people here they paid attention to the

changes of States they explored the states instead of dismissing them as some activity of the body which is an

important and this exploration led to non-dualism this is the story of

spirituality that is why many Traditions they are

focused on change and control of States they want to refine the Mind progressively so that it can stay in

some particular State streets are given importance because of this reason only

that this is the sure way to know who you are and unfortunately this is not possible

without some spiritual growth which has already happened like you say the right

time comes only due to Grace nobody can bring it you can cultivate the

environment the body the mind so that the right time comes quickly or it comes without any obstacles that much is

possible but certainly Mastery overstates it comes only by Grace which

is our well-known Evolution as we evolve through repetitive births we reach a

point where the intellect or the layered structure becomes so developed that it

can ultimately take hold of the states and there is the possibility of spiritual knowledge

so what non-dualism has done they have taken a shortcut but their knowledge is

based on this Foundation only without this play of states there was no

possibility and they found that it is possible to know some things even without doing this circus of states it

is possible to know the basics while staying in the waking State alone and

that was their genius that was their the Mankind's biggest Discovery and that

gave rise to the highest philosophy possible in the universe which is non-dualism at the way

not the Eternal knowledge sanatana philosophy because even if this is

forgotten the evolution continues and the same results will be obtained again and again by all the intelligent

creatures they will all discover the same non-duality again and again throughout the cycles and yes this

knowledge is going to go away very soon this is already predicted it is just like the electric bulb it flickers for a

while before fusing completely before going back completely flickers for a while then it's gone so you are

witnessing this flickering of knowledge now few people get it that's all

those who mastered the states they also don't get it because the illusion is so convincing that they assume that yes

this is me which is seen in every state is ME I change my forms from the

physical to the Israel to the some other non-physical forms I am the one that is

taking birth this much will be known by any person who is ignorant but has

mastered the states because Mastery of the states does not require higher knowledge it comes by practice or by

Grace by chance if you live in this kind of environment where this is considered normal routine to change the states then

the child that is born in this kind of society will naturally be gifted with

this control over the states but without Guru it is not possible to know the

truth of the states because it takes a very high intelligence to find something

of value it is just like the car mechanic or

anybody can repair the machines can open the machines can do whatever they want

to fix it and can invent a few things tools Etc to get their job done but they

cannot design a new machine it takes another level of intelligence the

engineering intelligence they can repair whatever is already built that much is their capability

engineering intelligence is limited because they know some rules of thumb they have extensive knowledge but not

the basic principles they cannot discover something new sometimes they do but it takes a scientists to do the

fundamental research in the same way Simply Having the Mastery over the states does not make you spiritual you

need a guru to learn you need that kind of intelligence to conclude something from this play of states

so we have taken the shortcut on The Path of Knowledge and we get the basic

knowledge the Essential Knowledge without changing the states or you can say without having a Mastery over the

states it is possible to know your true essence what to do after that in this topic came

up many times now I know everything I am the Brahman I am the whole existence now what is the use of this mind and body

now many must have guessed that the use is in application of the knowledge yes

some people don't prefer it because the knowledge is so Blissful they want to float away in the Bliss for many

thousand years not assuming anybody not venturing into any worlds but there are

few that will say I want to play this play which is me only this dream is my dream and I can create any dream so they

get the Mastery over the states and they get the Mastery over the bodies in the state which is nothing but the layer

actually it is a combination of layer this was modified in the version 2 of the program

in the older version I simply called all layers as having one body but that is

not so accurate so now it is refined and we are calling a group of layers as a body which is true because right now you

can see that in the person here has many layers not one layer so the projected

person also has few layers not just one layer and this group of layers they appear as a structure that will be

called the body or you can say more accurately Body Mind so they Venture into this study of this

body minds and layers and the surrounding part of the body mind which is the world it is actually one the

world the body the mind is one it's one thing

and this is a profound Discovery because just like you can change your mind at will you should be able to change your

body at will and then you should be able to change the world simply by willing will is called intention and intention

is the source of all magic which is called Tantra so some people go into this Tantra technology and they Master

the bodies they Master the minds they Master the worlds and those who are intelligent they do not manipulate these

things because it is perfect as it is created by the biggest engineer of all baby herself Mother Nature so what do

they do with this ability they create their own words they create their own bodies and they create their own

creatures that inhabit those worlds in other words they become the Gods

so what Tom has done is a baby step towards becoming a God in one of the

podcasts I said that the world you are right now in is actually created by a

few tantrics that is not entirely true they act that which was originally

present and they made it suitable for knowledge and they protected it in the

ancient scriptures they will be called the rishis but the Rishi is kind of very

very respectful name they are Engineers architects of universes

and actually we are living in their bodies this world is their body our intelligence is so limited that as soon

as I say they or if I name somebody Rishi or tandrik people start imagining

a person no no they start imagining a human but no they are not humans these

things are entire universes can they appear as human yes they can

appear as anything they want that reminds me of very ancient or you can say childish belief that when people die

they become Stars they tell this to children to probably distract them that

look your grandfather who died yesterday has become the star how did the thought

about this you know ancient people were not stupid the modern people are very stupid but ancient were not stupid why

did they say that can anybody guess how can the dead person become a star

yes Anjali is Right her guess is right that they have made their own world

there the star comes from the word astral or the astral comes from the Star

they are there now she's saying entire universes me that is final statement but we are not talking

about that we are talking about the illusory World Worlds the illusion it was believed or you can say they knew

these things that ultimately the evolution takes you to this level that you become the universe or you become at

least a world somewhere you give birth to this whole scenery of world bodies

Minds so it is poetically said that the dead person has hopefully left this

world forever and will be evolved and will become something which is just like

this universe so yesterday he died and today he star not possible it will take

millions of years of evolution so the tantric is not in a hurry to create the worlds

so I know of at least three or four groups that have tried this experiment of creating small world one of our group

created a temple-like structure you know those Greek temples with big pillars and

all big statues so these people they tried to create that world and one one

of the group may try to create an island only when Island small island with hills

and coconut trees beaches and so on and this is the third experiment that I am

seeing and the Indian scriptures not scriptures actually ancient books full

of these stories where these rishis or tandrix or powerful people they create

entire worlds we think these are stories but they are stories yes but there is

some Truths Behind these stories it cannot be purely wild imagination

because we are not humans are not capable of imagining something which is never in their experience

so creation of the worlds is a basic training in the occult in the Tantra

Bodhi we are going to introduce one chapter which will teach you to create a small world

Anjali is saying the level of imagination should be extraordinary to create such word the imagination is one

of the ingredients of occult without imagination nothing can be created actually all that can be done is

Imagination nothing gets created it is only imagined

arvind is saying Shri M has talked about serpent creature who came to visit his

group on Earth can we say such a creature came from such a world we can say anything because open-ended isn't it

open-ended speculation so out of the infinite possibilities of the illusion

this thing this serpent creatures and so on not impossible isn't it everything is

possible but did it really happen we don't know there is no evidence so you need to trust the guru and it is

possible that they came from one of the non-physical worlds how to know whether somebody is from

non-physical not physical our universe only few people will be able to see them those with the eyes those with this kind

of vision and those who are restricted to the five senses will never see them

never hear them and these are majority so those who can see using the

non-physical senses they were called mad crazy there was a time when these people

were called Divine or something like this God's people who could see things

which nobody could now it is reverse if you can see something which nobody can see you are sent to Asylum

one data saying sharing today's experience I was sitting in a real waiting room and watching people around

thoughts were coming initially and at one point this job just observation okay very good experience so these this is a

byproduct or you can say side effect of the awareness practice if you are doing the awareness practice if there is an

intention to be aware then these states can happen spontaneously and this can

happen in presence of those who are already aware whose awareness is touching the skies if you stay with

these people you will also get the Glimpse now the exact mechanism of why this

happens is not known but you will hear these kind of experiences from many Seekers that I went to this Guru and

this happened then I went there again nothing happened so some people they are

in a habit of visiting these gurus or Saints or sadhus just for some kind of

experience but it won't happen if you're not walking sincerely on the path

shall I share something why it happens yes yes go ahead

really I have seen that whenever a Seeker gave attention in a very loving

way or in even in a little surrender to the person having high awareness or at

least more advanced than the Seeker then just by being paying allowing

attention to the master the Seeker also gets the

similar qualities for example let's say the master have mastered the

Sweet Emotions in him okay 24 hours the master is in the Bliss

now if a Seeker who has not done even a bit of sadhana for energizing that

particular layer if he comes or sits or gets in touch or even pays

attention towards the master then he gets the seed

from the sadhana of the guru and their seed after some months or

maybe depending on the intensity of Seeker that seed grows up Suddenly and

out of the after some months the Seeker finds that from where this quality of

Sweet Emotion is coming inside me obviously all the layers are present in

the Seeker also but just by being in in resonance with the master those

particular layers get activated even when Seeker are not doing any sadhana for that particular layer so this I have

seen and the only common element I have found is the loving attention when a Seeker pays to the master things happen

rampantly yes it's very good explanation nothing

can explain it only the intention to become just like the master or the guru

and you can call it resonance or something but they are attuned to the

master now so yes it can be called seeding it is just like seeding I have heard many stories like this and this is

the sign of progress so when Nikita is progressing nicely then but those who are not having these

experiences they need not become frustrated they need not to give up their search or the practice because

it's not necessary that these these things will happen to everybody you can progress nicely and quickly even without

getting all these experiences experiences Oneness of complete silence or of other worlds or visions and they

need not happen you see but will they never happen no no they

will eventually happen you should prepare yourself mentally for these experiences so the life becomes magical

just like he said it the more devoted you are to your study

and practice the fruits will be seen quickly and if you are doing it as a

side job then it will take time and if it is only your hobby probably nothing

will happen these are signs of progress but they are not the necessary signs everybody should do and get this thing

only then they will be called progressing no no the progress is seen mostly by self-evaluation not by

experiences so check what is the internal environment what is going on inside you that will give you a more

accurate picture of whether you are progressing or not so after practicing comes the evaluation

and that is why we have it as step number five in the program after three months of practicing awareness we want

to check what happened are there any returns of our investment and those who

are in the program they should not think that we need to do do it only once during the program you need to do it for

a whole of your life the program simply teaches you how to do it so you learn

how to do it you learn how to practice the awareness practice mindfulness sakshibhav and then you do it whole of

your life then you learn how to do the self-evaluation and then you do it whenever you want every six months is

okay and then you will become a master in it that you can do your self-evaluation in a minute you will

know your whole structure the layered structure intimately each and every corner of it will be known will be in

the light of awareness side effect of this is that you will be

able to evaluate others also that is also told in the videos this is like a minor power so those who have finished

the program and they are wondering what to do for rest of my life you have a lot of things to do spreading of knowledge

is one thing which is Major actually but these are other activities which will keep you on the path otherwise the

illusion is so strong that it will wipe you out you will disappear back in the illusion although if you are in contact

with the guru guru won't let it happen so easily but your will is topmost most

important if you do not express your will nothing will be done so we get motivated by looking at people

who are progressing by looking at the Masters great people by reading by watching and that should arose will and

you to progress and if you have the will there will be way the best way is The Path of Knowledge

Sanjay is asking besides spreading of knowledge what activities can I seek or engage in post completion of program

just like I said you can create the whole universes if you want the it

totally depends on your will but there is one will in you to spread the knowledge to benefit all the Seekers and

there can be other things like research because the research is not actually

spreading of knowledge but you can invent discover new things that is one thing

if you have a lot of money you can assist the people who are spreading the knowledge without doing it directly

without teaching indirectly or you can assist in the efforts of your master

help in that which he is doing in any way possible so but these are small

things big job that you have is your own progress your own evolution by your I

mean this creatures we cannot even call it my Evolution we can simply say that

the evolution is happening it is nobody's Evolution and then we because everything is me so it looks like my

will and then we go and fulfill our desire to evolve that is one thing but

the most important job for any Seeker is to rise above the human birth that is

stole traditionally although I don't give it that much importance but it looks like that many of our students

many Seekers after getting the knowledge their primary goal becomes end of human birth

so if you are interested in that that can be done systematically and the

method is given in Path of Knowledge also that as soon as your karmic storage is over as soon as your to-do list in

the human body is over there won't be any human birth so you try to finish that as artistically as skillfully as

possible as beautifully as possible so you can note down these things one

two three four five six many things to do isn't it or you can simply sit and enjoy the show because you are not the

doer you are the witness then everything is already happening as it must as it should okay so already happening more in

the most perfectly so both choices are actually same there is a little bit of doership in the first when I'm doing it

no problem because you know that it is not true and the second is mostly the way of surrender where whatever comes

happens it is done automatically BK saying I have new recently I listened

to a podcast on YouTube and feel feel good so where do I start yes you can start from the 3D program which gives

you a brief introduction to The Path of Knowledge which is being taught here you can choose your heavenlita has given the

link there you can go to the 3D program link and choose your sorry you can apply

for this program which is free and which is online and after that you decide what

to do if you like this path or not and then you will be given more or you can

simply attend the satsangs here for few weeks see whether you like this or not or listen to the old recordings and then

you can do the 3D program if you want or you can directly jump into the path that is a good start

arvind is saying who are nirmanikaya is this possible for Yogi to create a body

for himself on this Earth use the nirman Kaya it comes from Buddhism you know

and all these various kayas Kaya means a body so we assume different kinds of

bodies that is what they are saying which is general knowledge probably for all of you it is possible to have many

kinds of bodies yes kosha sharir many words many names so is it possible for

Yogi to create a body for himself on this Earth and not Yogi Yogi is interested in samadhi not in

bodies tantrics yes they are interested in Superior bodies

so yes it is possible that somebody on the Yoke path is also an occult it is possible isn't it somebody on The Path

of Knowledge is no culture in yoga in Kundalini these things happen so if you

know this art it will be possible to create anybody including a physical body now there are many kinds of tricks and

many methods to achieve this and one of the cheap way without doing much effort

is to Simply possess some other body and this must be very familiar for many

people you simply possess another body you are getting old now you are 80 years

you want to continue your service or you want to continue your practice but you

don't want this trouble of rebirth don't want to waste your 20 years in going

through the womb again so you simply passes another body young body and that should be illegal isn't it that is not

recommended so what do they do they possess a body which died naturally that

is called the parkaya pravesh you see Kaya word appears here also so in the in

this tiny articles on Tantra I have given three or four ways to Incarnate to

assume a body so one is through natural birth where the little body the baby appears in the world by natural process

that is one way second way is to Simply possess another body dead or alive depends on your ethical moods and

Third Way is to create a body for yourself which is the superior way which is what we do in the independent Tantra

probably that well that will be called the nirman kai because nirman means creation isn't it so you can create

anybody you want and probably it will be very difficult to do this in physical

but it is child's play in the non-physical it can be done

anybody any age male female any creature bird snake elephant because These

Blueprints are already there in your causal body you have already assumed these bodies now you simply recall

you are just by willing it but it is not that easy also you see you need to be

competent in this art and then you need a guru so BK is asking can you tell statement

of krishnamurti Truth is it partless land what he meant actually nobody can

tell what the other gurus are saying simply from two or three words it will

be very difficult unless I am some kind of PhD on Krishna Murthy where I've read

all the books all I've heard all the talks so I can only guess I can tell you

what I mean by my statements isn't it but what the others are saying you can only guess it is best to ask the teacher

why did you say this but obviously he is not there right now so we can say truth

is the pathless land probably he means that you cannot reach the truth by traveling there or by doing a systematic

practice you cannot reach the truth it is an act of Grace there is no path to

the truth now why did you say that because if that were possible we would have taught

everybody in schools in colleges everywhere everybody would have known

what the truth is but that is not possible what is possible is what I call as ripening ripening means a time comes

in the life of this human being that he becomes ready for the truth and then the guru appears in front of him gives him

the truth as simple as that then why do we keep saying you should

join this path that path probably the time is coming that is why that is why that person is listening to a any Guru

reading any books on spirituality because the time is near so we simply take care that this opportunity is not

lost by guiding that person suitably and that is my interpretation but but who

knows what he said Abhishek is saying there is no path to truth because truth is the path this is what Krishna means

yes that can be one more interpretation but you see you should not start with krishnamurthy

if you are a newcomer to spirituality do not start with Jai krishnamurti start

with somebody who is accessible not be somebody who is so cryptic and mysterious simple people you see

Vivekananda Ram Krishna Raman maharshi Raman Mash is also not

that accessible and those who are on the YouTube you know

in that website you will get a page where I've listed many teachers they are

hand-picked I mean I have seen them talk I've listened to their talks it is not simply search engine kind of thing so go

to those channels listen to them and there is something which we can understand so I never recommend these

teachers to my students I recommend those who speak very very clearly

once you understand what they are saying that means once you get the knowledge then you can go and read these

mysterious people it's a waste of time is for hair Splitters very good to

frustrate intellect you see his style is total um you can say revocation of all the

traditions and so he is not good for newcomers the newcomers should start from a tradition and then you let go of

the tradition then you join the gang of Krishna murtis right now you won't understand anything yes his teachings

are so different and he denies everything that kind of not useful for

beginners he is useful if you have very solid beliefs if you blindly worship

your tradition then you listen to Krishna Murthy and he will make you straight but personally I never listen to him

that much only very very rarely there is another krishnamurthy I forgot

his name what is his name very handsome man with long hair huge huge yes never

listen to him initially you will leave the spirituality if you listen to him so he breaks down down everything you see

including the advaith and everything some teachers are simply cleanup

mechanisms BK is asking can I know your routine when you come in telegram every Wednesday 10 pm in night Indian time

every Wednesday 10 pm because you're saying I once heard

Francis Lucille mentioned that krishnamurthy had a spot on intuition but he was not established in his

understanding Yuji was in that case yes these people they were successful in

attracting the attention of the people because of their rebellious nature although in spite of them Jai Krishna

murti was offered this post of shankaracharya of Puri so on you see he

was offered many medals enough because ultimately probably he said the same thing in different language

be kissing I'm your new student from Bangladesh most welcome and hopefully this will be beneficial for you and your

progress my advice is always this you know do not start by from a guru start

from a path see which path attracts you most and these people the UG and JK they

are they don't belong to any path they don't belong to any tradition even the same thing can be said about Osho he is

not from a single tradition and so the noodle soup is so dense that you will get lost in there Never Never Land of

talks so best to pick something simple like part of knowledge or even this what

you call ashtang yog check what they are saying what they are asking you to do what is the practice and then you keep

your luxury time you know your spare time for this out of the margin cases

marginal cases ug JK Osho Niche or whoever you like you

can read them because I think watching movies helpful or harmful for the spiritual pack

depends on the type of movies you're watching if they are extremely violent extremely low grade movies and then

obviously they're harmful if it is good entertainment and intellectually

pleasing then go ahead it will help you and there is a specific type of movies

which are called philosophical or you can say science fiction also mystery and

spiritual so those movies they are not going to give you any knowledge but it's just entertainment good entertainment

arvind is asking can we say that Pok is the most appropriate path for the world

today see if you are a promoter of the knowledge then obviously you are going to advertise

like this yes is the most beautiful it's the complete best path and that is all

marketing yes we should say like this but the world is a mixed bag nobody is

equal here in any way it is they are not equal in terms of financial conditions

Health body intelligence emotions and indoctrination everybody is different so

how can one path be suitable for the whole world you know when Park is not even suitable

for you and your brother that is also impossible arvind is saying the world is

mostly intellectual today compared to the early time we don't know about the Early Times actually probably the number

is greater these days not the percentage not the percentage but the number is

greater yes and my view is that in all the times except the satyug the

percentage is the same one percent are intellectual people 99 are not but today

because billions of people are there you know one percent is also a very big number so what we do we do not go after the

statistics we simply wait for the right person like pradeep said for ripe fruits

these Rye fruits are found in every time every age and every country

so the educated people today they are in a good position to comprehend The Path

of Knowledge and now including this program that we are doing is crafted in

this way that it will be easily graspable for anybody who is educated in our school and college system so what we

have done is we have changed the teaching depending on the ability of the

people it is reverse actually and it happens in every time every you can say

age that the teachings are modified to suit the people at the time if it's

never that people will change themselves the guru needs to change

so yes there is a opportunity now that in this form which is presented in our

Path of Knowledge program and being presented by many teachers actually not only me it is very beneficial for at

least those who are educated but what happens you must have seen is that education is simply another kind of

indoctrination their own intellect becomes their enemies why because they cannot let go of their education now so

we need to how circumvent this fortification of their minds what is

your education doing is turning you into a materialistic laborer slave and that

is a big problem so we find people who are bored of this thing or they are kind

of suffering from the modernization I am talking about the intellectual people intellectual kind of people now we don't

want to comment on anybody else because they have their own paths so what

happens is the either they they get bored of their intellectuality they do not find any answers there in your

education system or they suffer a lot because of how the societies are set up

and then they look for the guru and the guru is waiting for this

so the situation is more complicated than we can imagine and I don't claim to

understand it at all but this is the play that is going on that those who are ready they get it anyway no matter what

kind of personality that is intellectual non-intellectual it does not matter what kind of body that person has or in which

country they are you know it can be a little bit difficult or easy that's all but those who are ready some help is

sent to them somehow this is being ensured and yes we take advantage of the social situations sometimes

we exploit the people BK Singh I am getting lazy when when I'm

trying to know spiritually I want to get rid of that krishnamurt is responsible for me it is

not a big problem you see it is ultimately it will be an advantage but

yes systematic disciplined and step-by-step approach is the best

arvind is asking Guru appears when the Seeker is ready please elaborate it is

very easy to see actually if that person is not ready that person has no inner

will or has no not enough intelligence to understand what the guru is saying

then even if he is surrounded by all the scriptures all the temples all the gurus

all the stories he won't be able to pick up anything this is common sense isn't it we are all like this we are born in

India but it took so many years to understand one single thing who am I

so when the Seeker reaches a certain point he becomes recipient of knowledge

he can receive the knowledge we call it in Sanskrit departure means utensil you

know Clay Pot now you can fill fill him with the knowledge otherwise not everybody is a clay poet but they are

standing upside down [Music] my pin goes in so when the Seeker

Madness is not seeker the person matures to a level and the interest arises in

him through the grace of God then the guru discovers this person or he starts

finding and as soon as the guru notices that he's ready the guru does his effort

to put him on the path and this effort is like a big drama company you see everything possible is done to pull him

out of the world it is two way actually you are seeking

and the guru is also seeking the proper student so that is why we say it is a net a net to catch the fish it is not

that the guru is interested in in turning everybody in this world into a spiritual person you know that is

impossible why do we do the marketing because you want to spread the net so

that those who are seeking they will at least hear and they will be attracted once they are in the net they're gone

just like the fish are drawn out of the water the student is drawn out of the World by hook or Croaker by any means

possible you say the guru has no rules and often there is failure you you see

many times there is a lot of failure so that is why we say we come with a list the guru comes with a list so those who

complete the program they will notice this thing that it was a trap nothing else

you know the guru's struggle is two way on the one hand he is trying to lure the people into spirituality and on the

other hand he's trying to throw away those who are not yet right we pick the

right fruit sometimes we get the raw ones we throw them away so this thing is

designed like this it's kind of filter but people saying your greeting trust which will go on trapping even without

you actually I am not doing it this is since the beginning of the time this is happening this is the only way to do the

farming you see what else you can call it mother nature produces The Seekers and the guru is like a farmer checks who

is ripe Picks Them puts them in the next level so this is how it is happening you see this is the system of spirituality

that is timeless this was told very nicely in your Hindi

series of Gyan Sutra which I want to make it into English this is the overall

system of spirituality which is happening in all the worlds not only in this world so that is why we say when

the Seeker is ready yes then the guru can start the work you see if they are not really cannot do much that is why I

keep saying that your will is Paramount your will is most important then the

guru will do anything possible to materialize your wish

because it's saying ultimately I feel that the Seeker realizes the guru to be

existence Brahman itself it's only as long as the Seeker believes himself to be individual yes obviously after the

knowledge no guru no student they are one although because of our human nature

we keep respecting loving and admiring the guru that is how we are humans are

but at the essential level even before there was no difference between the guru and student after knowledge also

obviously no difference so only the ignorance was dropped ultimately all are one this play of the guru and student

happens in this drama of the illusion and that is why it is so dramatic

BK is asking are you not in Facebook no no no the Facebook is in me

so hopefully everybody got their questions answered and we'll end today's meeting here and I'll see you next time