https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4nIaQd06Qk
when you talk about npnm non-local
non-temporal universal memory layers etc
is hard to understand because it is
neither mental or physical so where is
it situated first thing it is a theory
don't try to find it in your experience
you can find the evidence of it in your
experience
there is a purpose behind calling it non
physical non
local and everything because i don't
want you to find it i want you to assume
it it is an assumption it is a theory
now as soon as you have this theory that
there is something like this a vibration
that is non-physical non-mental
and
it is arranged in semi-permanent memory
and the memory is arranged in structures
now it is a very good model to
explain your experience the experience
part can be explained and i think only
the experience part needs to be
explained experiencer cannot be
explained you are that and how will you
know the experience part by forming a
scientific theory
this is not true there is nothing npm do
not try to find it do not drive try and
try to find its situation location you
will never find it it is a tool to
understand what we are experiencing
and believe me this is the big finest
theory this is the best it is here since
many thousand years since the beginning
it is here it is universal that means
not from earth it is not from earth we
were taught these things and it is the
final
that it is a virtual stage where these
cloud-like figures they come and go
including this human body whatever you
call as me
they are totally illusory and then the
illusion needs to be explained now why
it is the way it is because so many
rules are there such an interesting
illusion it is not a boring random
dream of some kind
for that you need theories and as you
know physical sciences are part of path
of knowledge physical science is a
branch of path of knowledge so
they adopt the same thing theory
hypothesis
experiment and logic
mathematics but they have limited
themselves probably due to the
limitation of the explorer himself there
is no desire
in them to explore the wider illusion
they stick to whatever can be seen with
their eyes and instruments and there
also a tremendous progress has been made
like this divide and conquer so one
person is engaged in physical world
second is engaged in the mind and third
is going beyond mind in the higher
layers so exploration is complete in
parts
and this these models they help us they
anchor the intellect
otherwise the intellect is nothing to
know really it will never know anything
so hopefully aishman got his doubt
cleared
graham's question i've learned from
teachers who recommended rupert spira
sadhguru jim newman but i listened tom
gamble video posted and found it
contradicted things i learned from pure
gay for example he says time and free
will are fundamental necessary elements
in consciousness so i think i missed
something what did you hope we would
find in it
well
you see
he is
probably one of the biggest masters
alive tom campbell i consider him as my
guru actually i talked to him and i i
served him whatever i could do i did for
him
so
many of the things that you are learning
in p.o.k actually coming from campbell
many the concept of non-physical
evolution who has taught this in the
history what do you know you know only
darwinian evolution or
in in india we know
the concept of yoni's he is the one who
for the first time i think i heard from
him
about the information evolution the
patterns evolving to form complex
entities actually this is one example
and
all that science that we discuss in the
path of knowledge program i think
70 percent of it comes from tom has
groundbreaking there is no
doubt about it
even his guru is not so clear as
tom campbell you know who is his guru
very famous occult practitioner munro he
is not that clear i've read his books
and mostly
dreamy stuff going on there and in the
end he actually lost it most of the time
i i saw that he got
like infected with the occult but this
fellow is still very very bright
so you found it contradicting no problem
at all what what does he say that i have
a model i have a theory he never says i
know the truth never says like this
sometimes he says but you need to see it
in the context
he says i have a theory that give me
consciousness which is the most
fundamental there he is perfectly right
give me consciousness give me time and
give me free will and i i can explain
everything from the electron proton to
love and emotions
and cooperation
how the kings and politicians behave how
the economy behaves you will find he has
actually done this
he says give me these three things i'll
explain everything that's why it is
called theory of everything t-o-e my big
theory of everything my big toe
everybody should read these three books
which has published and they're free you
see
when i saw this great person
giving everything freely there is a root
there is a cause of everything isn't it
so why everything is free in our program
why everything is free in our videos and
content why there is some influence
in this kind of influence actually so we
we see that you know all our great
masters they have given everything
freely i mean how much money gotham good
was charging for discourses
how much actually i have seen that
these
masters even in this today's world where
everybody is greedy for money they are
giving the essential things freely then
the non-essential
vip material is sold for very high value
like rupert's fire now you just need to
go to his channel
watch everything you will get whatever
he knows you know you will get
100 of it free of charge but he still
charges a lot for his sessions
that much i have heard from people in
london
that is not easy to get into his session
you need to be rich so why is that on
one side they charge the other side
they're giving it away there has to be
reason
i found you know hope from whomever i
learned i found this kind of thing and
again this thing is beyond our boxed
intellect
and sometimes i find you know i have
given some money to some gurus and
when this kind of courses are attained i
attended and the material was kind of
not worth it you pay 25 000
and then you are expecting that kind of
quality whatever you are expecting i
don't know what will what is the
expectation of people i don't know
but
almost nothing was given in for that
price yes you got to
ask your own personal questions to the
guru and all but
you see as soon as that fellow answered
you thought my money is wasted
they did not answer anything special
this is my whole life's experience
actually money does not buy knowledge it
buys you five star ashram that's all
good food your room will be clean and so
on you can stay for free in any ashram
in india actually but then you will need
to do the work
so this is the thing you see there are
influences so there's a lot of influence
of tom campbell and my own
understanding
and he's very good at explaining how the
illusion part works
that he has figured it out totally like
you can say that is the complete theory
and like he says i can explain physical
i explain non-physical metaphysical all
the religions in the world
all the philosophies
all the physics chemistry biology
he has answers for everything how is
that possible you will say when when his
fundamentals are wrong how is that
possible
why because
you see there is nothing fundamental in
the illusion only models can be made how
we have made the model of the vibration
vibrating patterns and all is it really
there do you think it is right model
no just beautiful model in science
nothing is right nothing is true it is
either very beautiful or very
satisfactory or very useful we use it
tom never says that i am going to tell
you the truth he clearly says it is an
illusion he cannot even pronounce maya
but he knows what that people are saying
he knows it very clearly he has seen it
and everything you know it is
experiential not scriptural so he does
not know any words from scriptures but
whenever he talks
it resembles you know it is exactly like
all these
philosophies so when i met him i mean
online only he
could not meet him he was in delhi for
three days two or three years ago i
thought of it but i did not go there
first thing i told him look you are my
guru and whatever you say is not new it
is many thousand years old but
you say in such a way that finally i can
understand what these people said so his
model of virtual reality you know our
model of dream isn't it so
i think graham needs to study these
philosophers in depth shallow study not
going to make anything in depth
read the book meet the fellow
i never had the
courage to tell him that look sir your
time your assumption of time is wrong
i know what he will say yes it is wrong
you see even i talk in his stone
sometimes he says make your own big toe
don't follow me experiment
like in the interview today in this
video he said i have done this for 35
years i can't even imagine spending 35
years in a sleep lab they used to do
nothing but sleep can you imagine this
much dedication in that fellow they used
to put on the binary beads whatever you
call it they used to go to sleep what
did they do there
they tried to find even the smallest
evidence who has this dedication you
want to be in the non-physical projected
state in three days
and this fellow worked on third for 30
years
not only found evidence he has produced
very good work monumental so very
inspiring people and this other fellow
is also bright bernardo they are both in
my list of recommended teachers yes so
bernardo is like
what do you say revolting fellow there
is a video of him
somewhere it is shown i don't know in
some of the interviews or where
these people were granting him the phd
they got irritated
because he is hitting at the roots of
the science
when he said materialism is balloony
where is garbage the the people who were
questioning him on phd there is some
tradition there that you know questions
are asked when they are grinding they
got irritated
at him
his
thesis was very bitter so these are my
ideals you see heretical yeah very nice
yeah very very correct word he is
heretic for the science people
what does science become like a religion
isn't it
he he said in the interview that finally
i understood that the consciousness
cannot be computed or consciousness
cannot be
um
explained in terms of measurements of
any kinds
now there's a big statement coming from
a phd from coming from the
religious institutes of science so these
people they they make the science
progress actually these blind believers
of books of physics
they will never contribute anything to
knowledge never
okay graham is saying but is the pok
model different in that there is a
non-temporal field of possibilities and
that all things are contained there so
without cause and effect choice or time
we get everything yes and the poke now
marries
buddhism with my big toe and we can
explain that which is beyond time but
don't tell him
he's the guru i never had the courage to
tell him that we can go beyond what you
are you are saying
actually there was a dialogue between
rupert sparr and tom campbell which i
posted already you can find it somewhere
in the podcast of rupert spyra there's a
discussion between him and rupert and
rupert is trying to con tell him
look
advaith and
he does not get it tom does not get it
he is so good at what he is doing that
he is no concern about what is beyond
this
computational model he says i can
explain everything actually he does
but
he is reluctant to look behind i don't
know why
graham is saying i think you surpassed
this guru of yours actually
i wish i could we take from many that is
how we surpass and the thing is we come
back to the world because it is all
discovered long ago the knowledge is
always old nothing new can be discovered
yes new
formats can be given to the old
new bottle old wine
actually i'll tell you something
interesting that this three-day program
was born out of my attempt to teach this
mbt crowd about
non-duality it was a seven day program
in the beginning seven day program where
i
tried to explain mbt from the non-dual
point of view some people received it
actually
and they were amazed that you know there
is much more beyond this
what tom campbell has said
but
then it failed and
then it was reduced to three days and
the three-day program was more
successful the seven day was too much
everything has a story behind it isn't
it so
this our vocab program also has a story
in that
in that seven day program i
asked people to write down what was told
and the final document it was documented
and the final document was not given
till the last day they were they were
told we write down what i said and you
see the same technique is used now in
okay
i say something in the video and then
you are asked to write down probably
that was the cause of its failure
because people could not write down
anything
it is difficult isn't it
even from the video i think people must
be struggling what what did you say and
then you rewind why did you say that
something like this must be happening
but some people i know they simply
absorb everything yes this is also right
yeah that is also right it is obvious
these people are made for the path of
path of knowledge this goes so smoothly
just look at this there's so much
knowledge out there it is all free is
for everybody to take what are you
paying for and why are you waiting for
somebody to come and give you the
knowledge it's all
already distributed widely you need to
be hungry isn't it if you're not hungry
you will never see all these things so
imagine what will happen after 10 years
or 20 years the whole of the path of
knowledge that and all the buddhism and
all the philosophies
they will be the dominating ones so we
we are putting a seed of that kind that
you see i'm encouraging people to
express
express in any way you can you're good
in writing okay right you're good in
speaking always speak
your face is beautiful
and people want to watch your videos yes
do that if you're good for nothing you
see do the 3d program
so
it's
something we are starting it will blow
up one day that is my expectation then i
can retire
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