How Experience is eternal

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i'm going to start with the question

that i received in the program

so this is a question from ayushman

somewhat long question so i'm going to

read it experiences are endless

isn't it better we

and put this topic in the category of

unknowable each coin have two sides

because

chances are

there at some point death the

experiences may be over or like in the

experiment where the experience is still

there

i personally think the experiment is

maybe wrong because we are already

bringing in an observer which obviously

means the observer is the experiencer

himself my point is that it is

impossible to claim or to prove in any

experiment that this experiences will

remain forever or not because assuming

that experience were endless is also

blind belief and according to our

criteria for truth and falls in the

category of falls

so it is a well thought

question there and looks like

that the basic doubt is that it cannot

be proven that the experiences are

endless this is the doubt in the mind of

aashman so first of all i don't know

where you are in the program i can't

remember

have you arrived at

the

basic analysis of the experiences

probably not

so

it will be cleared in that part in that

lesson where we analyze using the

seven question experiences just like we

have analyzed the experiencer and we

have found

that the experience is beyond time

we never say that it is endless

we say it is eternal

i am talking about the experiencer right

now the observer is somewhat unfortunate

that the words experience an experience

or they can be easily confused because

there is only one r that separates them

it is sometimes you make the spelling

mistake or while talking also

sometimes i will say observer of the or

the witness or the atman just to

emphasize the difference

so just like we have done the analysis

of the experiencer and we found that it

is

actually endless which means there is no

start in the beginning of the

experiencer it was found like this and

we call it

not endless we call it eternal which

simply means that time has no meaning

when applied to it

so let us say what is the smell of

color red for example now you can see

concept has been wrongly applied there

the smell has nothing to do with color

it cannot be applied smell is applied to

materials and same way we can say that

what is the taste of happiness is not

possible

the taste is applied to foods and all

not to happiness same way when we say

when is the end of the experience or the

experiencer it is a wrong application of

concept

the time can be applied to an object the

belief of the time can be applied to an

object not to the fundamentals like the

experience or the experiencer so anyhow

this is the first thing we should

consider whether we can apply

our day-to-day concepts to something

which is so fundamental like existence

experiencer experience

so on emptiness

can we apply

the memory the vibration we should think

about it first is it even possible and

if you want to confirm it then always

use the means of knowledge which are the

direct experience and logic

we should not forget that logic is our

means of knowledge whatever is concluded

from logic can be called knowledge this

is our decision to

employ logic as our means of knowledge

intellect

so

obviously you will come to know that the

experiences are eternal that is beyond

time when you do the basic analysis

listen but i am going to explain a

little bit because it looks like that

there are

no

other questions here so while the

questions appear in the minds of

participants meanwhile i can

go in a little bit deeper into this

question okay the

questions appeared

very good my party

so anyhow i am going to tell you in one

or two sentences why

experiences are eternal

the

direct experience says that time is an

experience although it is not even an

experience

everybody knows this time is not

experienced change is experienced

and

with the help of memory we form this

concept of time the past present and

future there is nothing like this

so immediately through direct experience

we see that the concept of time cannot

be applied to the experience itself

that which is appearing is

defined formally as the experience that

which is appearing that which is

manifested and that which is manifested

is not getting manifested in time

i think everybody will agree with this

because if there is already time there

is already clock which is ticking and

now you look at the clock and you wait

for the experience to arrive in time and

you keep looking at the clock while your

whole manifestation is happening the

existence

comes out of the potential jumps out of

the potential infinite potential in

front of your eyes but look in the

clock you

watching it

and the before time of the experience

and all these things are nothing but

experiences that means

only an event appeared not the whole

experience

it was already there in the form of you

watching the clock and whatever darkness

emptiness empty space

no space whatever i and the experience

must come out of some kind of vibrations

and potential so it was already there

latent form and it is you know the

experience is always latent it is it

never becomes real it's always virtual

there is no real experience it's a dream

it's like a dream it's always virtual

even if it happens it is virtual because

it does not happen it seems to happen

something seems to happen

so this is the direct

experience and logic part you see

and about the end we need to witness the

end of all the experience otherwise we

cannot say that it ends so if we cannot

say that it ends we can rightly put it

in the category of unknowable like

aashman says

ashman says it yeah

but

never forget the power of our intellect

logic we can use logic here to find out

that it will never end or that it is

beyond time we already concluded that

time cannot be applied to the whole that

which appears existence cannot be

applied time is an not even an

experience actually it is it is a

imaginary concept

imagination at least the objects are

appearing in front of you at least you

can touch it

smell it or eat it or even use it like

your body very useful but time is not

even appearing cannot be grasped by

senses it is totally an idea anyhow so

if the experience is ending we need a

witness of it we need a proof of it we

cannot simply say that look it is ending

it will end we cannot say it we need to

provide a proof evidence

and when we provide when we are there

looking at the whole manifestation

ending then we are there before the end

we are there during the end

not we you we can say i i am there

before the end

i am there while it is ending and i am

there when it has ended and the clock is

ticking again because if everything ends

then there is nobody to find out whether

it ends or not so

logic says that if it ends

that will be only an event that has

ended because i will be there clock will

be there and again the potential will be

back in potential form so it is nothing

has ended actually only the event has

ended a particular kind of manifestation

has ended so the logic says that the

experience cannot end our direct

experience is that it is beyond time

concept of time is not applicable just

like the smell of the color red is

meaningless experiences happening in

time is meaningless

time

happens as an experience

experience does not happen in time

hopefully that is clear

so we call the experience as eternal not

on not unknowable it can be known that

it is eternal and what is known here is

actually we have dropped our belief

about time that's all we have done

what is known not you know that why it

is eternal how how is how it can be a

tunnel when the clock is ticking you see

not all these things what has happened

is because of the analysis and use of

direct experience and logic

we have totally destroyed this question

itself about

ending of the experience

we can say it is a meaningless sentence

now experience ending is a meaningless

sentence similarly experiencer ending or

starting is a meaningless sentence so

because of these this kind of

conditioning then everything must happen

in time this is conditioning this is not

a law of nature this conditioning forces

us to apply the concepts that are

applied to the everyday objects in the

illusion to the most fundamental truths

and what we do we take a broom of

logic and experience

clear it up clean it up

similarly you can check

the other six questions like

where where is the experience how is it

happening why is it there who is doing

it all that find it out in your program