https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mj-_wlx7Shg
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and discuss the spiritual matters
especially related to the path of
knowledge i try to answer your questions
and clear your doubts and we do the work
regarding the
program here so if there are any
questions you're most welcome to ask and
i'm going to start with the question
that i received in the program
so this is a question from ayushman
somewhat long question so i'm going to
read it experiences are endless
isn't it better we
and put this topic in the category of
unknowable each coin have two sides
because
chances are
there at some point death the
experiences may be over or like in the
experiment where the experience is still
there
i personally think the experiment is
maybe wrong because we are already
bringing in an observer which obviously
means the observer is the experiencer
himself my point is that it is
impossible to claim or to prove in any
experiment that this experiences will
remain forever or not because assuming
that experience were endless is also
blind belief and according to our
criteria for truth and falls in the
category of falls
so it is a well thought
question there and looks like
that the basic doubt is that it cannot
be proven that the experiences are
endless this is the doubt in the mind of
aashman so first of all i don't know
where you are in the program i can't
remember
have you arrived at
the
basic analysis of the experiences
probably not
so
it will be cleared in that part in that
lesson where we analyze using the
seven question experiences just like we
have analyzed the experiencer and we
have found
that the experience is beyond time
we never say that it is endless
we say it is eternal
i am talking about the experiencer right
now the observer is somewhat unfortunate
that the words experience an experience
or they can be easily confused because
there is only one r that separates them
it is sometimes you make the spelling
mistake or while talking also
sometimes i will say observer of the or
the witness or the atman just to
emphasize the difference
so just like we have done the analysis
of the experiencer and we found that it
is
actually endless which means there is no
start in the beginning of the
experiencer it was found like this and
we call it
not endless we call it eternal which
simply means that time has no meaning
when applied to it
so let us say what is the smell of
color red for example now you can see
concept has been wrongly applied there
the smell has nothing to do with color
it cannot be applied smell is applied to
materials and same way we can say that
what is the taste of happiness is not
possible
the taste is applied to foods and all
not to happiness same way when we say
when is the end of the experience or the
experiencer it is a wrong application of
concept
the time can be applied to an object the
belief of the time can be applied to an
object not to the fundamentals like the
experience or the experiencer so anyhow
this is the first thing we should
consider whether we can apply
our day-to-day concepts to something
which is so fundamental like existence
experiencer experience
so on emptiness
can we apply
the memory the vibration we should think
about it first is it even possible and
if you want to confirm it then always
use the means of knowledge which are the
direct experience and logic
we should not forget that logic is our
means of knowledge whatever is concluded
from logic can be called knowledge this
is our decision to
employ logic as our means of knowledge
intellect
so
obviously you will come to know that the
experiences are eternal that is beyond
time when you do the basic analysis
listen but i am going to explain a
little bit because it looks like that
there are
no
other questions here so while the
questions appear in the minds of
participants meanwhile i can
go in a little bit deeper into this
question okay the
questions appeared
very good my party
so anyhow i am going to tell you in one
or two sentences why
experiences are eternal
the
direct experience says that time is an
experience although it is not even an
experience
everybody knows this time is not
experienced change is experienced
and
with the help of memory we form this
concept of time the past present and
future there is nothing like this
so immediately through direct experience
we see that the concept of time cannot
be applied to the experience itself
that which is appearing is
defined formally as the experience that
which is appearing that which is
manifested and that which is manifested
is not getting manifested in time
i think everybody will agree with this
because if there is already time there
is already clock which is ticking and
now you look at the clock and you wait
for the experience to arrive in time and
you keep looking at the clock while your
whole manifestation is happening the
existence
comes out of the potential jumps out of
the potential infinite potential in
front of your eyes but look in the
clock you
watching it
and the before time of the experience
and all these things are nothing but
experiences that means
only an event appeared not the whole
experience
it was already there in the form of you
watching the clock and whatever darkness
emptiness empty space
no space whatever i and the experience
must come out of some kind of vibrations
and potential so it was already there
latent form and it is you know the
experience is always latent it is it
never becomes real it's always virtual
there is no real experience it's a dream
it's like a dream it's always virtual
even if it happens it is virtual because
it does not happen it seems to happen
something seems to happen
so this is the direct
experience and logic part you see
and about the end we need to witness the
end of all the experience otherwise we
cannot say that it ends so if we cannot
say that it ends we can rightly put it
in the category of unknowable like
aashman says
ashman says it yeah
but
never forget the power of our intellect
logic we can use logic here to find out
that it will never end or that it is
beyond time we already concluded that
time cannot be applied to the whole that
which appears existence cannot be
applied time is an not even an
experience actually it is it is a
imaginary concept
imagination at least the objects are
appearing in front of you at least you
can touch it
smell it or eat it or even use it like
your body very useful but time is not
even appearing cannot be grasped by
senses it is totally an idea anyhow so
if the experience is ending we need a
witness of it we need a proof of it we
cannot simply say that look it is ending
it will end we cannot say it we need to
provide a proof evidence
and when we provide when we are there
looking at the whole manifestation
ending then we are there before the end
we are there during the end
not we you we can say i i am there
before the end
i am there while it is ending and i am
there when it has ended and the clock is
ticking again because if everything ends
then there is nobody to find out whether
it ends or not so
logic says that if it ends
that will be only an event that has
ended because i will be there clock will
be there and again the potential will be
back in potential form so it is nothing
has ended actually only the event has
ended a particular kind of manifestation
has ended so the logic says that the
experience cannot end our direct
experience is that it is beyond time
concept of time is not applicable just
like the smell of the color red is
meaningless experiences happening in
time is meaningless
time
happens as an experience
experience does not happen in time
hopefully that is clear
so we call the experience as eternal not
on not unknowable it can be known that
it is eternal and what is known here is
actually we have dropped our belief
about time that's all we have done
what is known not you know that why it
is eternal how how is how it can be a
tunnel when the clock is ticking you see
not all these things what has happened
is because of the analysis and use of
direct experience and logic
we have totally destroyed this question
itself about
ending of the experience
we can say it is a meaningless sentence
now experience ending is a meaningless
sentence similarly experiencer ending or
starting is a meaningless sentence so
because of these this kind of
conditioning then everything must happen
in time this is conditioning this is not
a law of nature this conditioning forces
us to apply the concepts that are
applied to the everyday objects in the
illusion to the most fundamental truths
and what we do we take a broom of
logic and experience
clear it up clean it up
similarly you can check
the other six questions like
where where is the experience how is it
happening why is it there who is doing
it all that find it out in your program
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