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what causes ignorance?ignorance is caused by uh blind beliefs indoctrination conditioning and by Society parents all the wrong beliefs all traditions and so on various knowledge knowledge is the interrelation among experiences so it is in the memory actually memory itself is an illusion so knowledge is also memory it's just an ability to interrelate experiences it's a it's a mental ability
knowledge can destroy mental suffering but not bodily suffering why uh body mind uh when knowledge arises the knowledge is that uh one's true nature the knowledge is that of knowing one's true nature when uh one knows the true nature and that iron the experiencer the attachment to the body bind uh goes so uh the mental suffering will not be there but bodily suffering body uh it the body um it is a program it is like a robot it goes on its own the it it uh when the body was born it came with some karmic impression and it will go through that uh uh it has to occur it has to uh live according to the program who knows the Nola Nova cannot be known it's a if there is someone who knows the knower then the person who knows a no will become the Noah that is their experiencer the Nova cannot be known experiencer resides in a separate dimension not in this world true or false uh it is not true because uh all experiences appear in the experiencer in the background of the experiencer that
there is no dimension on Dimension or anything everything is just one experiencer this experience is nothing but the existence there is only one existence and everything happens uh Here and Now so there is no uh and nothing is separate there's no other dimension every day new forms appear in the existence then is it right to say that existence is all already whole and complete everything all the forms appear in the existence that itself is safe uh it is not outside the existence all there is is the existence existence
is already whole and complete existence is empty it is of no qualities uh it is eternal infinite uh non-temporal uh timeless Etc so it is whole and complete nothing can be added nothing can be removed
oh true false right wrong everything there is no nothing outside of the existence all that is is existence whatever is whether it's negative or positive everything is existing whether anything appear not
appear everything is in existence so what better something appears or not uh it makes no difference everything is existence only it's already whole and complete nothing can be removed from it it's non-substantial experiences are Ever Changing then why are the person and the world so stable uh because uh uh the changing uh the patterns are changing very slowly in such a way that it is not it gives an appearance that experiences are stable which state remains uh which state remains when all other states come and go uh the background of all states is the fourth state turia state uh it is not really a state but we can call it a stake That Remains as a background for all that comes and goes all states that comes in rules which part of the existence is not explained by the model of the illusion the model of the illusion is only for the illusion uh so it is for the experience it this model itself is to satisfy the intellect and to understand what experiences the nature of experience and all that and to know that uh everything that appears is an illusion that is the purpose of the model of Illusion it is for the experience for the appearances uh the part that is not explained is existence has two aspects two parts one is experiencer and uh the other is experience uh existence is experiencing itself through the experiencer so it is experiencer which is existence itself uh uh which is uh which is which is not explained which cannot be explained it cannot be it is unknowable uh it cannot be explained it is beyond the reach uh
of the mind it is beyond the reach of the intellect so next what makes it a solution so beautiful and captivating I would say I would say it is the immense potential uh it is a change that makes illusion so
beautiful and captivating the changing patterns uh the immense potential the immense patterns and the senses limiting to make them meaningful uh you know to make it more meaningful the memory all these uh are part of the process and that makes it more beautiful and captivating and that is what I think I may be wrong here that's with guruji thank you very good very nice very good effort by Satya and you get six out of ten which is a very satisfactory score but it is not outstanding so anyway your pass and you reach the step number four of experimentations and now we move on to pundima's test you will also get 10 questions same rules so these are purnima's questions thank you for this opportunity I'll take two minutes guruji yes guruji I'll start I'll take the first question later on I'll start with the second question will knowing too much cause insanity no my answer is uh no knowing too much cannot cause insanity
insanity is uh the inability to
coherently um interrelate the knowledge
it it is uh it is lack of knowledge and
lack of the uh of proper interrelation between the experiences
so knowledge cannot cause insane
insanity insanity is a uh one of the waking
States a lower waking state so uh that is also an illusion
the third question truth truth cannot be experienced and
knowledge happens via experience then how will we know the truth
on the path of Truth can be experienced uh what comes to our
direct experience is considered as truth
however on The Path of Knowledge uh whatever truth that is the true essence
is we come to the conclusion of the true Essence by way of negation and
the we come to the conclusion that I am the experience
I'm the experiencer but the experiencer
it is it is the knowledge that we get the experiencer cannot be known it
it can only uh we can only be the experiencer
now uh how will we know the truth truth is always by uh direct experience
and by Logic here uh we
know the truth by way of logic by um
uh inference by discrimination by uh
classification we try to know the truth by Logic fourth one
emptiness causes existence establish this via logic
so we have existence is emptiness
it is all that is and it is [Music] um
infinite it is complete it is
non-substantial all experiences both existence has two
parts the experiencer and the experience now experience
uh is illusion and experience cannot be known
Again by the process of negation we come to that conclusion now
experiencer is also empty so existence
when there when there is nothing coming out when the existence itself is empty uh
everything else the experiences are also empty there is um nothing there is nothing out there
all that is is here and now it is it just is
so uh by that logic we say that existence is empty but emptiness does
not cause existence that is the sentence I think here is wrong emptiness causes
existence no there is no cause for existence
fifth question is it true that simply knowing what you
are will liberate you uh guruji I think here
knowledge will remove the ignorance and uh
the realization that I am the experiencer happens
that is the end of seeking however uh
to be in that awareness is important because after having the
knowledge one may go back to the same old ways of life so it's important that one
listens abides and contemplates
to reach the stage of liberation if the sense now the sixth question if
the senses lie how can they be a source of direct experience and hence knowledge
senses are a tool or they can be considered as
um pinhole cameras which really or transform or transmit the signals now
signals are coming from the wide vast existence
these are channeled through the senses and they reach the memory and there they
are compared with the previous memories and the change is identified and
experience happens so nothing uh
the sensors are also however nothing none of these are true
the memory the senses vibration everything is an illusion
and knowledge whatever we acquire by this through these illusion is also illusory
knowledge however it is all required for survival and hence uh
we consider that in survival knowledge we consider that as knowledge
for survival seventh question how can census create vibrations
via which we perceive when sensors themselves are patterns of vibrations
how can sensors create vibration no the uh sensors don't create vibrations
the vibrations are created it's and vibrations are created by the immense
potential and uh the immense potential of the existence
now even these vibrations senses memory these are all Concepts there is nothing
out there in actuality what is there is just the potential the
potential of the existence to change and that gives an experience so sensors
don't create vibrations it is just all vibration senses they're all uh simply
but Illusions which appear which just appear and uh
what we are sensing is only all all the that which is in the memory
however this is all a concept eighth question how do destructive
processes destroy vibrations in Cycles again the destructive processes and the
constructive processes are a a concept
uh by the mind to understand this uh illusion the illusion of
existence actually there is nothing that is getting destroyed or created
it only appears and since this is happening all the Illusions are happening in Cycles we
tend to We tend to feel that there is uh destruction and creation
or actually in actuality there is nothing that is happening
uh this is just these are just the processes are just
Concepts ninth question existence knows itself and existence is also the
experience so experience knows itself true or false
existence knows itself and existence is also the experience
so experience knows itself yeah this is uh true as well as false
the entire uh process of the existence experience and uh experiencer it is the
existence trying to know itself via the experiencer
um uh via the experience by the ex by the
experiencer so uh it is true
and then everything in existence is
true as well as false therefore I would like to say it is true
and false and it is uh if I say not true it is not false also
but this um this thing is this entire existence or
the experiencing is um the coming together of the
experiencer and the existence and the experience and existence is trying to
know itself that is true does evolution happen in steps or is it
gradual Evolution happening in steps again is an
appearance there is a there is no Evolution or
dissolution actually it appears to be evolving
everything this existence is here and now and it is just one Dynamic presence
it is it is it it is at this in this moment
now coming back to the first question guruji what is the role of intuition in
gaining knowledge um yes I think there is a small role uh for
the intuition and probably that is the um
that is how uh one feels one has this urge this intuition
can be considered as the urge to foreknowledge the urge to uh
liberate to get liberated from this suffering so uh it is this intuition that guides
one per one into a to find to search a
guru and uh follow a path of uh
gaining knowledge yes guruji I think that is it thank you
very good again very very good attempt by purnima and you get 5.5 out of 10
which is slightly lower side but still you have the basic knowledge and you can
do the experiments your past so I know these questions today were somewhat
difficult because they all came from somewhere else I did not think them
anyhow the performance was very good both
so congratulations both of you are in the step number four and you will need
to send the weekly reports and will observe you for three months and that is your training for the practice the
practice needs to continue life long with this three months are special
so now we are going to go through the questions and answers once more and some
of the answers I'll invite the opinions of people who are in satsang as usual so
we'll start with satya's questions first what causes ignorance and she got 0.5
half marks because she told that Society parents newspapers whatever okay now
that they're saying lack of knowledge that is the definition of ignorance ignorance is defined as lack of
knowledge or presence of beliefs and all but we are asking for cause so there is
a very simple answer here that yes all these factors are there but why are they
effective in creating the ignorance out of Innocence because the person lacks
the critical thinking logic and intelligence if these are present nobody
will be able to affect you nobody will be able to impose their ignorance on you
whether it is society religious institutions gurus or your family will
you listen to them if you had this intelligence to find out the truth for
yourself they can keep saying whatever they are saying they can keep producing million videos but you will not be
affected by that indoctrination so that causes ignorance because an
average person is not born with this kind of intelligence only a guru can teach whom to trust whom not to trust
and only on The Path of Knowledge we give you the means of knowledge in all other parts it's Blind Faith
so always mention this thing with the cause is very natural but we are not
born with this judgment it has to be learned and that is why no knowledge is
possible without a guru because Guru has done all this already he has done all the mistakes already he knows the answer
okay number two where is knowledge correct answer so we'll skip it everybody knows where is knowledge
number three knowledge can destroy mental suffering but not bodily suffering why and Satya got zero so I
would like to ask this thing in satsang because our claim is that knowledge causes total Destruction of suffering
end of suffering but is that true will the pain in the body diseases in the body or anything in the body will it go
away simply knowing your emptiness will it end the bodily suffering
and why she got zero although her attempt was very good in fact many people they come in a spiritual field
because there is a belief that their bodies will become very good so that is why yoga and all these practices are
taken up which are which were actually spiritual practices Anjali saying knowledge doesn't destroy
suffering it destroys the one who is suffering because there is nobody to suffer it's an illusion very good answer
see there is already nobody who is suffering but there is suffering this is
true that it is an illusion but it is still there nobody wants this illusion isn't it
there is nobody but there is a desire to be free from this illusory suffering
that is what we are talking about so will the knowledge destroy this although there is nobody will the knowledge
destroy the bodily suffering can you guessing suffering is mental and body goes through physical pain yes your your
answer is half correct but there is pain
but it cannot be called suffering when very few people know this so we'll discuss this in a minute Graham is
saying no one to suffer but the body mind still experiences pain yes suffering is different from pain
this must be understood by all the Seekers an ordinary person ignorant
person for that person suffering is equal to pain pain is suffering
suffering is pain even this happens to ignorant people that their mental
condition actually is reflected as bodily diseases pains if you do not
differentiate if you are not in Awareness your mind will cause actual pain or actual disease which then
becomes because of me everybody knows this I think everybody has experienced this thing
is saying illusion our body continues to appear even if after knowing it is an
illusion and that is right it will continue to appear it will continue to function as it is functioning all the
pain and pleasure will be there same with the mind but now it is seen as illusion and this knowledge actually
reduces the suffering I don't think it will go away but it reduces it as long
as there is body there will be activity of the body and pain is one of the
activity and it is a signaling mechanism which simply signals the mind the brain
that something is wrong in the body that's all it is it is not a suffering although it feels very bad yes I know
Sanjay is saying body is subject to pain in the interest of survival very good answer is 2
as a suffering is then wrong knowledge or you you can say ignorance it is there
it is necessary although it is not desired and this not Desiring is the suffering although it is totally natural
to not desire so very tricky situation here
is saying when it is said that knowledge destroys suffering it means that knowledge lifts illusion of suffering so
after knowledge is gained there is awareness about Detachment from ego or body while going through all states very
good answer yes I was expecting this kind of answer but see if somebody
insults you somebody betrays you somebody hates you you are going to feel
the mental pain there will be bad feeling there will be bad emotion can you avoid that only if you are a rock or
a robot you won't get it otherwise you'll get it so knowledge does not end
the activity or the state which is natural when knowledge detaches yourself
from what whatever is happening like Graham said now the identification
shifts from the witness of suffering not the when undergoing the suffering
is not happening to anybody because there is nobody so it is happening but it is not happening to anybody like
Anjali said this alone gives you a peace and uh strength to endure it
so all those people who are coming here in the hope that the suffering will be
destroyed please go somewhere else because no that's not true knowledge will prepare you for the assault to
tolerate these states of the body and the mind
pain will continue during the physical cycle mental suffering will stop yes sometimes in shortcut short form we say
that look the mind will stop worrying about this suffering business although
the emotional layer and the physical layer will continue to function and we
should not stop it also it's unnatural the these functions are there for some good reason we are very lucky to get
this kind of machine that has this kind of features what happens I'll tell you the reality
now these Babas and these sadhus and whoever you know tantrix they display
some kind of powers that look I'm putting needles through my mouth or my sword through my mouth nose and I'm not
suffering look I'm sitting in minus 10 degree snow in Himalayas I'm not
suffering and some people will walk on the fire and so on you see so these what
can I say you know show men they are simply making a display of their powers
they cause this kind of hope in people ordinary people that look he knows
something which I don't know and that can stop all the suffering or there are people they keep smiling in
front of even criminals and person who's torturing them and they sit there and
smile and other people they wonder why this is happening why this person is not affected at all
and they come to know that this is a spiritual person on this path that path and they run after that to become like
that now I am not saying that it is not possible in illusion everything is possible but knowledge will not do that
knowledge will simply make you rise above all these things suffering is
there okay it's not their pleasure is there very good this is what will be
done by knowledge so knowledge is nothing to do with all these Miracles you see I'm not saying
nobody should do the miracle they are they can do whatever they want to do I'm not saying nobody should do the healing
they can do whatever they want it's all allowed only thing is that a Seeker should not
hold this kind of ignorance in their mind that spirituality is the solution
of every suffering or spirituality will end the natural phenomena it will make
you resistant or it will make you so strong that probably it won't even
matter to you if something is paining in the body it is dying or somebody is
saying something to you and you have some negative emotion it won't matter but it will be there it's effect will be
very less then how to end this body suffering you end the body that is the final answer
why did you come here if you don't want this kind of positive negative kind of
experience which this life is don't come here nobody no pain
although there will be another kind of suffering which is mentioned in the scriptures I forgot about what is that
but at least there is some solution to your pain
skillful ninja I think how not to come here you need Liberation for that and
how to get deliberation first you need to walk on a path under the guidance of a guru find out a suitable path for
yourself spiritual paths and follow the instruction of the guru who is teaching that path reach the Liberation the point
of Liberation mukti and the human birth will stop so it looks like that you are just
starting you are at the starting point so first you need to find out whether it
really happens or not is there something called Liberation or not so start searching seeking
I wish there was a medicine or there was a formula or Mantra okay do this no
birth for you but unfortunately it is not like this Path of Knowledge is very
easy part of knowledge says that you are not born you were never born and you will
never be born that is the end of suffering actually this realization is the end of all suffering but I think my
experiences very few people are ready for this kind of teaching they want to
get rid of physical pain and they want to get rid of the mental suffering and then they will think about the Brahman
and Atman this is the 90 percent of people not people Seekers people they
don't have any idea anyway long answer here but I I thought it was important so
we discussed it realizing I don't know why I came here a mistake yes
now you know you see knowing this much is good enough why I came here there has
to be some stupid reason for that no and fulfilled desires and so on but it is
very wise to know that it was a mistake there are better ways to exist so let's
go forward and everybody should think about this matter of suffering who knows the nowhere and she got full
marks here sometimes you do not use the word nowhere we use the word experiencer because we differentiate between the
experience and the knowledge so knowledge is simply special kind of experience anyhow let's go forward experiencer
resides in a separate Dimension not in this world true or false Again full marks she said everything is here and
now yes that's that is the right answer so why is there a belief that experience there is not in the world somewhere else
again ignorance only everything is right here right now in and we can say reverse
actually that all there is right here right now is the experiencer and the
world is not to be found anywhere we are not sure about whether there is world or not it is a dream but we are
very mature that experiencer is here so reverse of the blind belief that the
world is always there and the experience that oh there is something fuzzy thing going on in my head in the brain I would
need probably in some other dimension so people cook up all these beliefs when
they hear all this garbage of dimensions and whatnot but the knowledge is exactly opposite of
the belief you will never find the world all you will find is yourself which is always here and now
so very good answer by Satya so whenever you hear these things that I am in some
other dimension and you should ask for the definition of the word Tell me the definition of the word Dimension and you
will find that 99 of people they don't know the definition they are simply repeating because it sounds like
knowledge some deep word okay number six everyday new forms
appear in existence then is it right to say that existence is already whole and complete what this question is saying is
that look every day something new comes which was not there before so how can
the existence which was there yesterday was whole because you know some new thing came here so her answer was very
good actually that she said Timeless existence it is whole and complete and
nothing can be removed and nothing can be added but still she got only half mark because it is not addressing the
belief which this question is saying so I want to ask this question in the satsang you see things are taken away
from the existence every day and things are added in the existence every day isn't this your direct experience then
how can we say nothing can be removed nothing can be added okay Isha is saying time itself is in existence not the wise
verse yes probably that's what Satya told met it is all here and now and
Timeless causeless so how can we say what is the ignorance here are the forms
appearing every day are they getting destroyed every day is existence augmenting and reducing itself in
never-ending cycle because when you see it as a direct experience it will look like this
Singh appearances and disappearances are all Illusions yes that is right but one
illusion came today another illusion went away isn't this change in the
existence so illusion one illusion appeared that means something was added that means it was not whole but this one
illusion was absent before and same way I remove one illusion today that means
the existence is reduced it is not whole now because this one illusion is absent from the existence now which I removed
or which automatically gets removed so very logical how come you are saying it
is whole and complete everything is getting added and removed from it and who knows countless things are not
present in the existence
is saying the forms appearing or disappearing are happening within existence that is also true how do you
you define the wholeness and completeness of it why do we say nothing can be added skillful is saying we
perceive shapes according to our sanskar with these one of many possibility we
see I suppose yes we is we say it is all mind created yes and there is only
possibility yes but still is it whole and complete Satya said I thought my
questions were easy apparently not no all these 20 questions are very very
difficult Sanjay is saying existence is infinite and siding or removing still keeps
existence in finite very good answer yes Graham is saying it's Eternal outside of time it all exists and unfolding and
change is perfect yes change is the word correct word nothing is appearing
nothing is disappearing it is changing now Satya will be
slapping her head why didn't I say that nothing is appearing nothing is disappearing I think somebody said this
yes rideshwari said this that they are Illusions so it is saying removing and
adding is being witness in existence so nothing is happening in the truth the same thing in different languages
waves appearing disappearing within the ocean ocean is same yes the essence Remains the Same can you add the essence
in the existence can you remove the essence from the existence no and the rest is emptiness appearing as something
or at the other thing why do we say it is well and complete because anything at all can appear in
anything at all will disappear this is the law that which appears will go away but that does not mean that it is
reducing the existence in some way right so we can take an example of sand on the
beach have you seen these sandboxes like this we use in software engineering a
lot that we run some programs in sandboxes we do not actually rent them
in the wild because who knows what they can do they can crash the entire network
or machine sometimes so there are sandboxes and you can
build anything from that sand you can build this house or sculpture anything
at all in that sand so was the sand reduced when the house was broken and
remade into something else or when the house appeared from the sand was the sand increased in some way I mean is
that logical to say that the sandbox is increasing decreasing and something is being added no something is appearing
something is disappearing but nothing is actually happening the hole is whole it is whole the
sandbox is whole no matter what appears no matter what goes away I know it is very difficult to understand these
things I mean this is the answer according to me at least it is my understanding but there can be other
answers who knows because this is a difficult question it is very easy to Simply repeat after the guru say
everything is whole and complete and everybody says yes it is whole and complete but I think nobody thinks about these things you should contemplate
at question why do we have such thing not to sit with closed eyes this is not
such thing of some other path here the mind and the intelligence should be very active
okay let's go forward experiences are ever changing but why are the person and
the world are so stable so she got half marks again but there is very simple
answer to this which I'll give you that this is the process of stabilization which we discussed in the program in
very detail the illusion of stability is caused although nothing is stable everything is changing this our mind has
a very beautiful ability to make the things look sane when there are small
changes so she got five I mean 0.5 here because she said they are changing very
slowly yes that is one reason that it appears so stable because some things are so durable they last longer than
human lifetime mountains reverse and whatever you see so the planets the Stars the moons they are so long living
it gives this illusion of stability but everything is going everything is disappearing it's a matter of time
what about the person the person is very interesting thing although you change every day but even
after 10 years 20 years you say I am the same person not only you the people who
know you they also say oh this is my relative this is same never changes I tried but he never changes so this is a
special thing the person it is its stability is most important for survival
so special tricks are used to keep it same every day not by disallowing the
change by incorporating the change into this concept of a person see when you
grow your hair long you are the same person you cut your hair you are the same person so this change is now
Incorporated in the database this person has this quality long hair this person
short hair same person person is not changing and the hair is changing here
are changing so it is like changing clothes the person is a concept which remains fixed and other things are added
and removed from it including the body Special Care is taken that the person never changes and then you can check the
other layers like the emotions or the memories of that person Special Care is
taken that even after a lot of change it is the illusion is maintained
you you will know why this isn't needed this is absolutely necessary for survival illusion of stability there is
a process that is called stabilization I forgot the actual term actually in the program if somebody can remind me but it
is an illusion very useful nothing is stable actually so let's go further which state remains
in all other states come and go and I think she said turia so I gave her 0.5
marks so why was why did I cut 0.5 Mark can somebody tell me I want to ask this
in satsang which state remains when all other states they come and go
is very good answer it's a traditional answer but is anybody in turia right now
I doubt it Korea is also not permanent you see it is not there someday it will
come but there is no guarantee if it if something came it will go this is the rule here Anjali is saying non-duality
is there a state called non-duality sometimes you say the state of the existence is non-duality non-dual it's a
testing dissolved this is very tricky word dissolved because everything is already dissolved so all emptiness
potential illusion what not we cannot say that there is something so if the
dissolved state is always there but we cannot say that it's a state of mind because when we say state it is always a
state of mind not of existence or experiencer or because these things do not have any state
Sanjay is saying see sleeping is the original state in which all state appearance disappear I can give you 0.5
also although if all other state appear they Cloud the sleeping street we will
never call it sleep state if some other state is appearing there it's a very technical thing now you see she was
right these questions are very difficult rideshwari saying for turia no no we do
not use experiences for turia turia is simply awareness in all states turia
will not stop coming and going of States remember this thing they will all come and go the cyclic nature of states will
not stop only thing is they will come and go in complete awareness that is why
it is not called State sometimes we say turia is the fourth state then you will see again disclaimer below that era is
not a state you simply call it like this it is become a convention to save its turia fourth but nothing like this it is
simply stay it's with a added quality on it of awareness so Keisha is saying all
states are there all the time only the activity of the state goes up and down that is right but what this question is
asking which will which state will remain so publication is saying all states are already there they remain but
the question is saying will which state will remain constant so the answer is you see very easy that there is no State
like this all states are outcome of vibration there is a reason they are cyclic that
is because vibration and so all of them will go no straight will remain so all
these very very beautiful answers like sleep is the only stable State and no no these are all metaphorical things poetry
turia and all no no no no it's not even a state all states are of memories or
experiencing is not a state sometimes this XP history of experiencing is always there sad samadhi is always there
but technically speaking state is all always a state of mind if that thing is
always there we cannot call it State stateless state so we should again go
back to the definition of the word State collection of activities isn't it a
state is simply a collection of activities where some activities are dominant although the activities do not
never stop like I said but some of them Dominate and that creates the state out
of the collection of activities this is the understanding this is how it is told in the program so if it is activity only
it will never remain so it is saying all states are always there states are of
the Mind the witness of them is always there exactly states are also there they are of the
mind and the witness is the only thing that never goes which is the experiencer this is knowledge this is as per the
evidence so I think the correct answer was that you know this question is wrong
okay next question which part of the existence is not explained by the model of the illusion and she got full marks
although I could not hear properly but she said there is this experience aspect
which is explained but there is another aspect of the existence which is the experiencer and it cannot be explained
by any model probably that was the answer so I gave her full marks and then
we are so unlucky that we cannot explain it but the good news is it does not need
any explanation it is self-illubant it is light itself you cannot throw light
on it using a model so impossible actually it is the most fundamental so
does not need any model anyway we'll not discuss it further you can do it yourself
number 10 what makes the illusion so beautiful and captivating so she said probably I'm wrong and yes that answer
was wrong so I will again discuss it briefly so anybody any idea why is the
illusion so beautiful captivating because if it were not captivating you would not be here you came here because
it has some attraction isn't it what is The Path of Knowledge saying about this thing she said probably remember that it
is changing that's why it's beautiful is it like death is a change is any normal
person going to call death as beautiful or you lost your job let us saying
it is not a beautifully way so what makes it beautiful purnima is saying out of necessity existence is beautiful it
is perfect yes and there is synonym of perfection which is called Beauty but we
are not talking about existence we are talking about illusion some people's no
no existence illusion no that is forget about that now non-duality the illusion
defined in the duality it is beautiful and captivating by the
senses which are part of the illusion it is self-serving mechanism for survival and evolution very good answer yes full
marks education it is simply an illusion beauty is another illusion they're not talking
about the Perfection and the beauty of the existence that which which is appearing is neither beautiful nor ugly
yes right answer again nothing is beautiful in the illusion and nothing is ugly also yes question is wrong
I told you very very difficult questions today I think you know this thing I think Satya also knows this thing with
the concept of beauty ugliness right wrong ethical and ethical mind created
mind makes it beautiful when there is a need like keshav said when it is needed
it is made beautiful if it is not needed if it is not good for your survival it
is shown as ugly simple now there will be long philosophical
debate about these things you know there is already it look at a circle circle is so beautiful why is circle so important
for survival it's not important look at mathematics look at music is music necessary for survival or Evolution many
people will say no the humans can survive nicely without music you know animals are surviving very nicely so why
is music beautiful now now this question becomes difficult
Path of Knowledge ends here that okay everything is mind created don't even
think about beauty and illusion Beauty and ugliness that is the end of knowledge but not end of debate the
debate is very long there is an inherent sense of Beauty in humans so in my blog
article or probably there is some video somewhere or podcast where we talk about
Universal Beauty and subjective Beauty and this is your homework buy the book
published by Anjali and read it advertising all questions are there all
answers are there actually the answers which are not found in your program are also there
okay this is the discussion on the satya's question questions I I know it
is saying little bit long so we'll go quickly now purnima's question question number one what is the role of intuition
in gaining knowledge so that answer was wrong I'm not going to discuss this thing more because everybody knows
everybody knows that the means of knowledge are only two experience and
logic intuition is not listed even in the traditional means of knowledge where the scriptures and Guru is appears
nobody talks about intuitions dreams or the subtle States non-physical
experiences nobody has given any weight to them please think about this for
nimaji not needed intuition is not needed direct experience and ordinary
logic is enough for knowledge what knowledge you will get from intuition sometimes you will get
something which is of Maya the illusion and that is the subject of Tantra there
it is somewhat important that knowledge which which comes without thinking
without you having any memory of it without your senses perceiving anything that will be called intuition there is a
source of it also but totally unimportant on The Path of Knowledge whatever you want to know is right here
right now in front of you no magical ability is needed so this in your blog is mind-blowing yes
because it was mind-blowing I had to write all that it's not ordinary so now you know these things are coming from
above that's why they are so transforming let's go next question will knowing too
much call cause insanity and she got half Marks here because she said no it
will not cause insanity but she could not explain why why it
will not cause Insanity have you seen all these people who keep studying and all have insane so there is this belief
in the society that if you study too much if you know too much your behavior will become abnormal and I'll tell you
why is that because majority is ignorant and whatever
majority does is called normal behavior so obviously somebody who knows
something his behavior changes and then it will be called Insanity abnormal so
this is a belief among ignorant people knowledgeable wise people they say look
the knowledge removes insanity the knowledge is the cure of insanity
but from the point of view in the eyes of ignorant people the one who has
knowledge is insane check it out it's like this everybody is in Reverse
reverse gear in your Society number three truths cannot be
experienced and knowledge happens for experience then how will we know the truth so if she got complete marks yes
the truth is not known by experience the falseness is negated by experience this
is the method and you don't need to know the truth you can be the truth there's
nothing to know in the truth emptiness causes existence establish
this via logic so again she got full marks although the logic is only one line which actually she said it that
emptiness in existence are one thing if they are one the one cannot cause itself there is no cause of existence so why
why is this question wrong because most of the questions are wrong today because somebody thinks that probably The
Emptiness comes before whatever exists and what they are saying is they are
thinking that existence is an experience of some kind so probably the the
fundamental thing is emptiness and then it is causing something which is called existence this is what some people are
going to think who who have not studied with that sincerity so they will think
like this but what is the truth the existence itself is emptiness the
quality less existence is emptiness number five is it true that simply
knowing what you are will liberate you she said something and she got 0.5 marks
and she said no probably there are more things to be done after knowing
something like this I cannot Recall now but it was not a very convincing answer so the answer I'll give it to you that
simply knowing yourself liberates you but not actually because the knowledge
is that there was no bondage this is the knowledge you will get that there is no bondage it was never there so will
Liberation happen if there is no bondage no will you remain bound even after knowing no
think about it it's very tricky question isn't it simply knowing simply destroys
the concept of Liberation don't even think about it the knowledge says like this stop thinking about it Liberation
there is no such thing see the the specialty of the power of knowledge is it will not give you anything not even
Liberation why because you don't need it it will take away this need to be
liberated see how powerful it is some other path can offer you Liberation and make you work like a donkey for that
and when you get it you know that you know I still have a body I still have a mind and so on there is no end the
Brahman will never disappear with with its illusion so it is very wise to know
that there is no need to be liberated I am already liberated there is that is the last thing you can say about
Liberation and then forget about it number six if the senses lie how can
they be a source of direct experience hence knowledge and purnima got zero here because the answer was not good
enough so I want to ask this in the satsang you see the definition of the direct experience the experience which
is right here right now coming through the senses not an imagining imagination not which you read in the book not not
with something somebody said this is not called direct experience right now right here whatever you are experiencing so
how how can that which is coming from the senses be called knowledge if it is
all illusion the answer is simple but I know purnima is saying I feel I need to go through
the course all over again feeling like a fresh student now yes highly recommend
it every time you listen to this thing all the videos and the program you will
come to know something which you missed before highly recommend it see I have
done this whole of my life I am still doing it isn't it such thing is nothing but an opportunity to go through it all
again and every time with something new something very very important comes up
sometimes so everybody should go through their videos at least the videos which
are about the basic knowledge probably from number 20 to number I'm sorry
number 10 to number 20 the middle portion because the first part is simply about The Path of Knowledge what is
truth there and what is means of knowledge and what is ignorance and the last part is about the illusion that is
also important but not that I mean the fundamentals because it can look very
contradictory controversial that you told that direct experience come from senses okay I built my all knowledge
from there then and then you go ahead and say that senses are all illusion
they provide only illusion it's contradiction okay when he's saying one Thon removes
the other thought very good probably everybody is happy with that answer or
do I need to explain keshav is saying with the prism of critical thinking direct experience can separate illusion
from what it is what is yes you're right but rajit has the correct word there is
only negative knowledge so rajit gets hundred percent here this was the answer see simple but still you will need to
think about it there is no contradiction knowledge is defined as negative knowledge like when we classify the
knowledge in the first part of the program we say these are the kinds of knowledge then I say look the positive
knowledge is useless in the power of knowledge the negative knowledge is very useful so what the senses are doing they
are providing you the positive knowledge actually but we reverse it we find out the truth of it and then we remove it
like Moni said without this there is no knowledge without without this purification
process of the Mind the pure mind has nothing it has no positive knowledge no negative knowledge actually negative
knowledge is same as not having anything not having any knowledge and knowing agnostic state is the pure mind
now whatever is needed for day-to-day life will be taken as positive it will be thrown out when its job is over you
still remain pure yes the senses provide positive knowledge and we know using the
intellect what is the truth not this not this negative so think about it
yes purnima needs to go through contemplation at least if not all the videos contemplate on your notes the
notes you have written the contemplation is nothing simply asking the seven questions again this is contemplation
convince yourself
consensus themselves are patterns of vibrations so this question was tricky
but it did not fool purnima this time she correctly said that no vibrations
are not created the question is assuming that senses are grading the vibration now they are transforming the vibration
so yes it is perfectly possible for one vibration to transform another vibration it is possible yes memory only
number eight how do destructive processes destroy vibrations in Cycles
so here she got 0.5 but I'll tell you the answer because we have a realist name that the vibrations are not
destroyed just like they are not created they are not destroyed so destructive processes are simply in the process
which converts a complex pattern to a simple pattern that is the definition of
destructive processes nothing is actually destroyed so that's why she got 0.5 because probably she said something
like this a disappearance of the form is not destruction very few people know this
thing usually we think that something has disappeared means it is destroyed this is the common language but no it is
only change everything is still there that that thing that remains will be called vibrations it only changes form
yes no destruction happens why because no creation happens never
happened number nine existence knows itself and exists is also the experience so
experience knows itself true or false and the answer was wrong no marks were
given because yes very very confusing question it is testing your knowledge of
non-duality see in this question The Duality and non-duality are mixed and the logic is given as if it is very nice
logic is it you look at the question so nicely framed as if it is so logical you
know the basic mistake here is mixing of duality in non-duality see we say existence knows itself as an
experience illusory experience this thing is said in non-dual you can say
level of non-duality remember the level of knowledge levels of knowledge levels of Truth so the experience word comes
only in Duality when the existence is broken down into experience in the experiencer there you should you should
never say that the experience is experiencing is meaningless in Duality
the experiencer is experiencing the experiencer is taking on the experiences
that is the definition of the experience that isn't it so when this kind of mistake is made although it looks very
logical that yes he said existence is both experience and experiencer so why
can't the experience also witness itself completely garbage so it's completely meaningless statement
is it it's not applicable at the level of non-duality there is no experience so
it can not witness anything there is only existence the non-dual Brahman is
forever in the state of witnessing Timeless and not a state you see you can
only use negative words The Emptiness which is not anything is witnessing which is not anything
now you you can send your intelligence on vacation here because the intelligence does not work here logic
does not work here so I know this question is designed for
failure nobody can answer this question so number 10 does evolution happen in
steps or is it gradual and she got full marks because she said no evolution is
happening it's all illusion and the illusion can happen in steps if the illusion wants and it can happen
gradually if it wants and that is all will be seen sometimes there is a big step sometimes for millions of years
nothing happens it all Remains the Same and all these things are happening at the same time so good answer but yes you
can write one book on this question what is happening how it happens and why it
is illusion and if there is no Evolution why there is struggle for Progress even
the spiritual person is trying to progress fully knowing I am Brahman we are proceeding forward so play it can be
seen as a play and you can play Slowly who who cares whether it's fast or slow
or you can take a leap don't want human birth now so this is a very long discussion on the
questions and answers answers hopefully it was beneficial for everybody so I
used to say this thing in satsang a lot that as long as you guys are asking questions it is very nice very good as
soon as I ask a question you will feel like completely ignorant person like she
said I feel like a fresher so it is always better that you guys ask the question
because as soon as I start asking all your beliefs all your knowledge all your
confidence will fall down it will be gone so that is why I say those who do
not appear in exam they cannot be called Seekers on The Path of Knowledge they're
not gannis the gyani is the one who is shaken by the knowledge who is shaken by
their own ignorance then I am nothing this is the only knowledge isn't it I am
nothing I'm nobody the knowledge makes you humble and so questioning is very important keep questioning this is
contemplation your exam is nothing but a big contemplation so some people think it is trouble that's why they don't take
it they don't want this trouble of contemplation yes Guru is saying you know something he
comes and like broken record he repeats everything that is not Path of Knowledge
you need to do the hard work here not the guru the guru will come and break down everything your knowledge your life
your education everything will be destroyed by the guru Satya is saying it takes great courage
to appear for the test there is always the feeling of not knowing yes but if
you appear you will change forever this is what I have seen the next big change
will come in your life when you start teaching these things those who are ready for that they will experience this
very beautiful change that now this fear will be gone from you simply because you
are in a position of a teacher the answers will come to you right now you struggle yes but there will be reversal
so this this is a good Milestone actually this is a very important milestone in this program that you come
to know that there is a lot to know who investing it's only by your grace that I've been able to do whatever I could
you are doing great actually those who are doing the program they are actually
on the path so those who are appearing in the exams and all they are already
successful don't worry about the marks you get don't worry about that the
questions are always designed so that it is it is difficult to answer they are
not designed so that you get the answers right so simply passing this step is
good performance the real failure is not appearing in the exam and the biggest failure is not even taking the program
but can we force people to do that no there must be very deep burning desire
in them to go through this Agni pariksha isn't it so you are successful nothing
to worry and keep evaluating yourself like this do I really know or simply I
heard it and why did I say the teaching will transform you because you know there we come to know that I know so
little I cannot explain a simple thing there you will come to know
so like when you jump in the swimming pool you know how to swim if you don't
even jump you will never know same thing jump into question answer jump into the exams in the program in the satsang and
in the teaching you will know how to swim yes you will never know hundred percent there will be some questions
which nobody can answer because The Path of Knowledge is not really about knowing a lot it is about the Bliss that is the
absence of wrong Notions if you are convinced that you know I don't have anything in me no impurity left in me
and then your intellect says look you don't know this you don't know that you cannot answer then it's all okay it's
not really necessary to answer each and every question as long as you are in a blissful state
so I think it's good time to end today's satsang and congratulations
very well done very good and I'll see you everyone in the next thing thank you
everybody for attending today's thing
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