hello and welcome to Pure experiences online satsang this satsang is an
opportunity for everybody to meet and discuss the spiritual matters get your doubts cleared and this is the point of
interaction for those who are doing The Path of Knowledge program so all
questions are most welcome Madhuri is asking can there be a absence
of mind if it can be can it be experienced and as we know mine is mine
is nothing but a memory and the memory is nothing but the vibrations and can
the vibrations be absent that is impossible so it is possible that one of
the activity comes and goes and another activity starts this much is possible it
is not possible to completely stop all the activities in the mind because that
is happening on its own it is not being done and if it is not being done then cannot be stopped if nobody started it
nobody can stop it and there are thousands of activities
that are happening some people say it is my my mind it's not theirs this
statement is coming from the ego that is simply another activity
so people confuse the absence of a certain kind of activity with absence of
mind it is not like this and the whole experience is actually of the mind so
without it there is nothing and what is this mind it is you only
your changing form at the level of non-duality the mind is also me can you
be absent no is it really happening no that which is actually not there cannot
start cannot stop simply appears to be like this
or we say that the concepts of starting stopping all this everyday Concepts they
do not apply to what is actually there and they do not apply to mind also because mind is beyond time starting
stopping these words they are in time so that which is beyond time because of
which there appears time it is completely meaningless to us something which is time related
is asking that means when we feel calm it is also an experience yes it is
tremendous amount of activity only the calmness is actually thousands of
activities the body is working the Motions are working they are giving you Pleasant feeling thoughts are going on
that today I am very calm even if you do not repeat these things in language they
are still thoughts are going awareness is there causal body is active the whole
layered structure is active thousands of processes are happy
so that's why I said those who don't know what it is they will confuse it with stopping starting like some people
say the Mind stops it when we go to sleep and then it starts again in the morning but what happens is one state
changes into another if it really stopped there won't be any
body there won't be any world there won't be any person they will also disappear because these things are mined
only shivakash is asking what if one particular desire reappears again and
again for years despite watching the desire multiple times in Awareness that means it is
important for you somehow and if it is not harmful it should be fulfilled
usually the desires that are harmful they do not repeat that much but if something needs to be done it comes up
again and again and again so if it is possible to fulfill it fulfill it it will go away it will not appear again
Layla is asking if fulfilling this desire will create more karmic bonds such as relationship is that okay
totally depends on the kind of Desire that is it is never okay to form any
bonds but if something is so complicated that it cannot be fulfilled without
forming a karmic Bond then no problem that must be done and then there will be
fruits because all actions have fruits then you should be relieved to experience those fruits also
and because this is all a play you should do that action which is going to
fulfill the desire which is going to form the bonds and you can you you can
remain in Awareness while doing that and when you get the fruits that also should be done in awareness
there is a like a flowchart of desires or actions is it really necessary to
form karmic bonds and if it says no Then no need to do it or is it possible to do
it in some other way without getting into this Bond then yes and if there is
no other option it must be done then yes it should be done awareness and then the fruits will come they
should be experienced in awareness so what will happen is it will not leave
any imprint on the memory because it was then in Awareness in short we should
avoid the unnecessary actions and if it is not possible to avoid them it should
be done in Awareness like a play realizing and nowadays I always hesitate
when opening myself to new people yes we should always check whether it is really necessary and the criteria should be am
I going to progress with this and another criteria is is that person with whom the bond is formed is that person
going to progress or not sometimes the second one is more important you are
already progressing there is no doubt about it but if the action is done in such a way that somebody else also
progresses then even if there is a bond the fruits will be positive
she's asking is it not possible to burn that desire itself yes it is possible by
burning it means that it is satisfied or it is suppressed is there any other way
you can watch it in Awareness which you are doing but you are saying that it is coming again and again so usually the
desires they go away when you watch them in Awareness they don't result in actions they say that's all can be done
the action can be avoided while being in Awareness but the desires cannot be avoided because they are not coming
because they are not yours it is simply in the storehouse of memory from where
the simplest are coming so for that you will need to erase that memory which is
somewhat difficult and usually if it is simply some kind of
an important desire then it goes away by simply watching it because it is not reinforced by doing action on it or
thinking about it but if it repeats so much every day many times that means the
impression is very very deep and now it will be difficult the awareness is helpless here so the only way is to
fulfill it then it becomes weaker and that that weak desire can be burnt away
in the light of awareness Rahul is asking what is humor when I
become aware of it then it drops another mental activity where some there is some
contradiction which is funny so normally it produces a reaction in the emotions
and body Etc but when you become absolutely aware of it then yes Clues is
that energy it's very natural it is same with all the activities that happen in
the mind if it is something which is sadness not humor not funny then also it
will go away if you are aware of it it is like the awareness is like silencer
silencer of the car there are explosions happening in the car in the engine when when you add the silencer it you cannot
hear it same way the mental activity is silenced by awareness any kind of something that
is resulting in happiness will be silenced something that is causing suffering sadness that also will be
silenced usual actions that happen crying
depression laughing whatever speaking they are all silenced
chip is asking I feel there is strong connection between layer of mind and your video of multi-level language
probably there is yes if that person is already grown to such some level where
the direct teachings can happen when their direct teachings are useful then they are given that means the higher
layers are already somewhat active and he needs a little bit of push that's all no preparation needed but yes if the if
the higher layers are not so active by active I mean developed then we need to drop down to some other
level and yes there can be correspondence between the activity of the layers and the teaching that is
given so somebody who is living at the lower layers only survival only then they are
given that kind of knowledge and the knowledge is mostly like commands what should you do what should you not do
what is good what is not good but as the rise in the layers they become more and more aware of their layers then they can
grasp something which is related to that layer so Path of Knowledge is totally related to the intelligence layer of
intellect and awareness so somebody who has already cleared the bottom layers is
ready for knowledge otherwise this is totally meaningless
for a person who is still struggling with the lower layers and that is why something different is given to them
so that answers this question that why are there so many systems why are there
so many paths because there are so many kinds of people you can group them if you want and that is the origin of the
caste system in India so you see lot of things are based on layers the caste
system was originally a psychological system of classification and what was
classified not people causal bodies were classified in four groups and within the
groups there were groups sub cars now this is so controversial that we
don't even want to discuss this because it has corrupted so much because of the fall of knowledge there is a fall in
intelligence of people in this age so what was very useful at one time has
become corrupted and has actually become genetic classification now the caste is
based on your birth family and so on which is totally garbage
it has become a social system instead of a spiritual system people try to classify people other people based on
their abilities their layers and in India the classification went to causal
layer what is stored there you can classify People based on that but it
always becomes an issue because people are not ready for this kind of things so
the spirituality is still happening based on this kind of classification we check the causal layer always because
the kind of teaching that is given to a person depends on his or her current
level of development growth how much they are progressed and it is very
natural also that somebody who has progressed a lot and you start from the
bottom and they will pick up in one or two days they will pick up the teaching in one or
two days and they will say I already know all these things so they always start with where they are it is very
natural like we say it is necessary to do like this because nothing else is possible if somebody is not that
developed and if you start with a higher teaching then obviously they will drop down to the lower because their
questions will start coming at the lower layers from the lower layers and that the guru has no other option with needs
to drop down so it is impossible to do anything else we say like this and that is why there is multi-level teaching
it is there in all the traditions although some traditions them try to maintain the Purity like that way but
they are also like I said subcasts there is variation in intelligence also many
people are highly intelligent but they are also some things can be seen some
abilities are more in some some are less and so on you see is asking some Masters say deep sleep is
ignorance and some say it is pure state of being now we don't really know what
the mean isn't it who is the master in what context they are saying but in our case the sleep is neither knowledge nor
ignorance because if you recall the definition of ignorance it is simply illogical Connections in the memory so
the memory is not so active in deep sleep and therefore there is no ignorance is there knowledge no no
knowledge so yes pure state of being this is the only state of existence where it is not immersed in any kind of
dreams sleep is the original state of existence and then the dreams they come as a
disturbance in this peaceful state so there will be many people many points of
views depending on the paths and traditions and my recommendation is always to stick with one so you will
never get confused Anjali saying recently I have seen this ring which is given by satguru for
spiritual growth of seekers what are your views on these type of metal ornaments and they are useless on The
Path of Knowledge no metal can affect your growth and no matter can stop it so
they are for those who are doing energy practices or have done something in the past lives otherwise it is simply metal
and it looks good beautiful design so if you are doing something which is told by
satguru then probably these things will support in the practice otherwise they
have no effect on other people chitty is asking what is the difference between Brahman and per Brahman in one
thing I am sure is consciousness subjective is its Universal as far as our system is concerned there is no
difference sometimes the Brahma or Brahman is taken as with qualities and
then to describe that which is without qualities they invented one one more word the problem which is which simply
means beyond the Brahm so whenever we say Brahma we always mean the one
without qualities where the qualities are apparent yes Consciousness is universal yes correct and there is
nothing which is objective everything is subjective all experience is subjective and Consciousness is beyond subjective
and objective also that which is is conscious the existence is conscious so
by subjectives usually it is meant that there is some kind of experience but Consciousness is not an experience
so it is beyond subjective or objective and there are no objective experiences
also all experiences are subjective sometimes there is agreement between two
people agreement between two experiences that are called objective
yeah he is asking our physical and emotional negative symptoms during one's path sign of some impurities if so how
can one get to process and see beyond them there can be two reasons there can be some simple reason like you are in a
bad situation that are causing the negative emotions and there can be
something which is in the memory which is coming up again and again that is
causing the negative emotion and that will be called an impurity which is not dependent on something external so how
can we process there is only one method on The Path of Knowledge it is seen as false illusion and then whatever happens
happens in complete awareness so it's self range for reinforcement stops
because how does the memory continue by copying by repeating itself and when it
is happening in Awareness that reinforcement will stop and it will be
seen as Sim simply another useless activity of the mind which is illusory
so that weightage is not given to it and it disappears
so always begin with knowledge and then abide in knowledge and this process will
start it will remove all impurities actually and when will that remove it that is not
fixed there is no fixed duration so this practice will remain for whole of your
life because you will see that one of the impurity goes away something else
comes up because there are a lot whatever is accumulated is huge so they
keep coming out but the major ones they will be gone in this lifetime this is the practice of abiding or we call it
the awareness practice remaining in knowledge Rajiv is asking is it possible to lose
this knowledge due to old age yes it is possible yeah old age disease memory loss Alzheimer's or if something else
comes up in your life which is more important than knowledge then this is forgotten and finally the death wipes it
out completely but what cannot be forgotten is the impression it changes the causal body
that cannot be erased whatever is happening in the in your
day-to-day life is that can be forgotten so we say that all these defects in the
body and the mind which are simply the lower layers isn't it because of the old age the body and the mind will be I mean
the body and the other lower layers will be affected like body nervous system some more activities some more functions
will be degraded recall recall of memory and that gives an impression that the
knowledge is not there now but it is already stored somewhere in the causal body deep in the memory and when a new
body is taken that appears reappears as Tendencies and given the right
atmosphere right teachings right Guru the person becomes knowledgeable again
so his knowledge resides in memory and the memory can go away anytime that is why this practice of Abiding and
contemplation is so important because it makes a permanent mark on the causal body if you remain involved in knowledge
if you dedicate your life to knowledge and awareness then it makes very big
impression on the causal body simply listening reading this book that book watching this video that video falls in
the category of entertainment not spiritual practice and that is forgotten completely because you have done so many
things like that so contemplation getting completely involved and then doing the symbolic work symbolic action
that all puts really deep impression on the causal body then it will be so deep
sometimes that you are born with the knowledge that simply appears in the mind in the waking state
so that is our goal if your practice is so weak that the old age or some disease
can wipe it out then no problem next life do it well in the next life this is
the story of everybody here we are doing this since many many lifetimes how do we
know this this personal experience and Graham is asking unlike other
knowledge it seems that I forget awareness I get into an unhappy State and that causes me to remember but we
can still forget that is not forgetting the knowledge that is an awareness you
see the old age and other diseases they will cause so much damage that you will never become aware again that will be
that is worse worst case but this everyday unhappiness is it comes and
goes because probably these Tendencies are stronger than the Tendencies of
awareness so this is the natural law this the stronger winds that which is strong wins
always so slowly with your practice the other Tendencies become weaker and the
knowledge and awareness becomes strong those who don't want to wait those who
want to progress quickly impatient people there are ways to make it stronger but on The Path of Knowledge we
don't do any practice it is most natural path so we allow the forgetting also
what is most important on The Path of Knowledge is getting the knowledge that's all it's like initiation is the
most important then nobody bothers about it on other paths there is so much focus on
practice if you are not practicing the guru becomes angry kicks you out of the ashram and so on the practice is the
essence of many paths but Path of Knowledge knowledge is the essence did you understand it or not did you get it
or not are there any doubts remaining are you pretending that I know but simply you have assumed it did you get
the evidence or not evidence is crucial most important thing
is evidence otherwise it will be forgotten anyway it is like the stories you hear from
here and there without any evidence and they're forgotten they do not cause any kind of awareness also the real
knowledge is that about which you are convinced it is like the sun shining in the daytime and then you don't need any
practice then whatever is happening the river the flood cannot stop cannot be stopped in
one day so then it dries out eventually only awareness remains and that is the
stopping of the cycles of birth and death so there is a long time before it
can happen and we are not in a hurry because we have infinite amount of time few birds are not a big problem what was
the problem ignorance was the real problem the poison was the problem now the recovery you know poison is removed
you got the medicine now there will be phase of recovery just rest enjoy
why do people worry about old age and so in so many things negative emotions and
all it's nothing the most important job is done now there is some decoration and
makeup something like this beautification is happening which is called purification purification is
happening jaunt is asking why are some people ambitious because they have more desires
their desires are stronger than average and then they are more active determined
powerful because of the force of the desires and fulfilled desires and as
they get fulfilled that force that energy drops so you will see this trend
that the young people are more ambitious simply want to do something but as they grow old their desires are being
fulfilled satisfied somewhat more or less and then their activity stops then
in the old age nobody wants to do anything they retire we say we are retired because nothing more is there to
do don't want to do anything so it totally depends on how much desire
you have it is the desire is the driving force chit is asking is it possible someday we
have a scientific theory of Consciousness accepted through the globe like science and scientific laws no it
is not possible because science is the study of the physical world and the Consciousness is not a theory it is the
truth right now right here it is present you are that
do you need a theory to explain that you are there and do people like to accept would people even think of accepting or
rejecting that I am there or not so what is possible about Consciousness
or we say the experiencer on the existence Brahman is to know it that's
all is possible there is no Theory there is no science either you know it or you don't know it this is called
self-realization and it is possible in few minutes
like we do in the three-day program it is possible in one hour 30 minutes sometimes so you don't need to wait for
some day in future right now right here the truth is in front of your eyes
actually the truth is known since the beginning of the universe it is the known thing what is unknown is the
science and that progresses little by little it will never be known because it is the study of the illusion and the
knowledge of the illusion is not possible actually knowledge of the illusion is also illusory so it is a
dynamic thing the science says they come and go but the knowledge is permanent it
is one and the same that which changes cannot be true and
that which is unchanging is the truth so my suggestion is to dive into the
non-dual philosophy and try to understand that the truth is not a
subject of science or study either you know it or you don't know it there is no need to study it
it will never it will never be achieved because it is already there the truth is here still since the beginning the
ignorance is new yes the ignorance comes and goes
the truth is like a screen and the ignorance is like movies playing on the screen always something new is happening
on the screen but the screen is the same and changing background of all these
activities it is eternally present but those who are ignorant they ignore it
the meaning of the word ignorance you know it comes from ignoring that means
not paying attention it's so much colorful activity is happening on the screen then looking at the screen is
boring and that is what this individual is doing it is engaged in the colorful activity and is ignoring dad which is
always present then it tries to look for that truth in
that activity impossible it was always there it will always be there
which it is asking how do I know it is always there even before me or after because it is you it is that which is
experiencing and it is the existence that is experiencing the existence never
goes away the forms through which it is experiencing the come and go the experiencer is always there
so if I tell you in these one or two sentences you will not understand so you
will need to take up The Path of Knowledge systematic study will give you the evidence because if somebody says
look you are Eternal that is not an Evidence what is the evidence your own experience in your own intelligence will
provide you the evidence how to do that walk on the paths under a very qualified
Guru that is how you will know me simply saying look this is truth this
is eternal this will be the remaining thing you see this is you like you are asking well whether it will be there
before me after that means you still think it is not me something else it is something else I am different from the
experiencer so that is the ignorance and how can you know all these things by
going step by step on the path so what I'll do I'll give you a link and you explore that link what is there you
check this is The Path of Knowledge portal you will have you will get all the programs there all the channels all
the teachers many teachers are listed there so this is the starting point for
newcomers highly recommended those who want to start on the path they should go through
this material first chip is saying experience exists with
respect to experiencer are they not interdependent no no they are not interdependent they are one like the
waves in the water they are one so that is where the non-dual word comes in that not two how will you know that by
systematically walking on the path because I can give the whole lecture here but then you know many hours will
be wasted so my suggestion is always to go step by step systematically
yes there are two aspects of one then one is you it is very easy to know that
the trick on The Path of Knowledge is to get the evidence not simply hear what
people are saying because people can say anything not reliable so the trick is to
convince yourself by solid evidence you need very solid evidence and then this
these questions will come you know what is truth who decides what is truth who decides what is evidence what is
evidence and that is why you need the proper training and then you need a trainer which is
called a guru because he has done it already he has taken the evidence he knows what is evidence what is not what
is knowledge what is ignorance and so system comes in and we have our own system the satsang is a part of the
system so there are some people who will say I already know all these things I feel I
have this knowledge already yes that is very good but as soon as some people
question them there are queries inquiries and so on if they fail to explain why that is truth why this is
false and so on because there is no formal training they don't even have a vocabulary proper words are not there so
you always need a little bit of training if that knowledge is shaken by one or
two questions it is not knowledge it is simply a feeling probably it seems right but that is not called evidence evidence
is something which never fails when somebody is forced to say that yes
this is the case and the reason they are saying this will be called an Evidence
so I'm saying this look you are Eternal experience and the experience are one
but merely saying this will not provide any evidence
which we do not say on The Path of Knowledge we show and to show that Seeker must have little bit of
dedication patience interest the guru is not going to waste their time in showing
all these things to everybody because nobody is really interested so we set up the systems ashrams or institutes some
people are going to charge a lot of money also so we have done this online ashram now which is free that is the
positive thing plus point and thank you everybody for attending
today's satsang I'll see you next time
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